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To: Slapshot68
It doesn’t matter...he was supposedly born in Hawaii, which has been a U.S. territory since 1898. That fact alone makes him a natural born citizen. No subsequent amendments has altered that condition.

The section we were previously discussing referred to “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions.” Any amendments to this section are irrelevant to the discussion.

Now if turns out that he really WASNT born in Hawaii, then he’s got a problem.

That's pretty generally correct. This first came up in connection with Barry Goldwater in 1964. Goldwater was born to two US Citizens in the territory of Arizona before statehood--no doubt about his citizenship. The general understanding among the Constitutional lawyers of the time was that his citizenship was not controlling; there was a general consensus the fact that Arizona had been subsequently incorporated in the union probably made Goldwater eligible to serve although legal challenges were not pursued because it became clear Goldwater had no chance to be elected.

I assume Obama was born after Hawaii became a state in 1959. So, no doubt, if he was born in Hawaii, he is both a citizen and eligible to be President; and, if not, he is neither a citizen nor eligible to be President. Simple as that.

I differ with you in that I see the current record raising a pretty clear inference that he was born in Kenya: The only support for his birth in Hawaii is a couple of clearly fraudulent Birth Certificates; the hospital at which his original claim of birth was directed was not constructed until after his claimed birth; his birth there is not reported in Vital Statistics under any of his historical names and his mother is not reported as the mother of anyone; no single person has come forward with any personal knowledge of his presence or birth in Hawaii in 1961; there is a reported interview of the "grandmother" and two of his half-siblings that purports to claim they were present at his birth in Kenya; and there is the Wayne Madsen update reporting that three investigators hired to investigate Obama's background in Kenya have located official records of his birth in Kenya confirming that his birth occurred in that country.

221 posted on 07/02/2008 9:02:06 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
"...... there is a reported interview of the "grandmother" and two of his half-siblings that purports to claim they were present at his birth in Kenya; and there is the Wayne Madsen update reporting that three investigators hired to investigate Obama's background in Kenya have located official records of his birth in Kenya confirming that his birth occurred in that country'

I had never heard of Wayne Madsen or this report so I went searching. The below link is what I found reported by Wayne Madsen. Not quite what you posted saying it confirms that he was born in Kenya. They are making the claim that it was the custom to REGISTER the birth of anyone who was born to a Kenyan even if that birth was outside of Kenya.

GOP dirty tricks operatives dispatched to Kenya to dig up any useful "dirt" on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, Jr., and his late Kenyan father Barack Obama, Sr., believe they have found a "smoking gun." In this case, it is a birth certificate from the Kenyan city of Mombasa registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr., on August 4, 1961. However, the registration is a common practice in African countries whose citizens abroad have families with foreign nationals. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to his Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas, and Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Kenya. Obama's parents were enrolled at the University of Hawaii. They divorced when Barack Obama was two years old.

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It looks like someone will now have to find out if that really is the custom or not.

230 posted on 07/02/2008 10:33:29 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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