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To: ltc8k6; Red Steel; MississippiMan
I know the one with the seal now on Obama's certificate is a fake. If you look at the one put up on DailyKos showing only the front of Obama's certificate that date of June 6, 2007 is backwards bleeding through to the front. So is the date on the certificate of that woman's (I can't remember her name) anyway we can see her seal bleeding through real good to the front. So the one they are now showing of Obama's seal is from the backside since we see June 6, 2007 reading correctly, we then should see the seal showing up REAL GOOD, but we don't.

There is definitely something fishy going on here.

192 posted on 07/01/2008 11:39:43 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Spunky; tuckrdout
Does anyone know if his birth name was Barack Hussein Obama or Barry Soetoro? And why did he go to Pakistan and India after he changed his name to Barack from Barry?

This was posted on another thread, tuckrdout talks about Obama’s name change.

As a matter of fact, Mr. Obama did change his name..went by the name, “Barry Soetoro” until college. Then he had some kind of conversion that made him want to suddenly go by his muslim name. And shortly after that, he travelled to Karachi, and spent 3 weeks there. What red blooded American College kid, besides John Walker Lindh, goes to Pakistan, for a vacation? There are no movie theaters, no booze, no bars, no music...and the girls are all covered up! This is where Osama Bin Laden’s #2 man was found and killed. Al Qa’eda has a big foot hold in this city...after being there for 3 weeks, Obama then went over to Hyderabad, the large Muslim stronghold in India, for another week. These are not vacation hot spots! Why did he go there; to where the terror cells were born?

I am not seeing a Christians denunciation of Islam, in Obama, and a strong witness to the changing power of Jesus Christ, in his life.

Part of the Muslim “Jihad”, is that it is okay to lie, to pretend not to be Muslim, when trying to bring Islam to Christians. It is called, “Hudaibiyah Treaty”—which means, “kiss the hand of your enemy until you can cut it off!”

If a Muslim is on Jihad to destroy the “great satan America”, from within, and knew that he had to be a Christian to be elected President of the United States, what kind of church would he join? He couldn’t stand to hear about Jesus being the only way, week after week. Seems he would want to join a church that instead praises muslim leaders from Libya and the Nation of Islam, and spouts curses on the United States.

I would have to hear Obama renounce Islam, personally. Say that he does NOT believe that allah is the only God, and muhammad is his only prophet, to believe that he is not an undercover muslim on jihad. That is what it is going to take. If he is a believer in Jesus Christ as the son of God; who lived and died for our sins, and was raised again from the dead...if he will say these things, I would feel much better about him. I will not worry that he is really out to finish the job started on 9-11.

But, all his associations point to deception and anti American sentiment. I do not believe that he has the best interest of our Country at heart. I believe that the man wants to destroy our nation, as we know it. He is telling us flat out that he is going to Change our nation. We don’t want his kind of change!

tuckrdout

200 posted on 07/02/2008 4:18:43 AM PDT by hollister23
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To: Spunky

The seal is embossed, not ink, IIRC.

If the impression is deep enough and the scanner is good, it will show up on the scan. Also, if the embossing is old, it will be a little dirty and this will help it show up as dark.

On a fairly newly requested certificate, the seal will be clean and the same color as the background. If the embosser didn’t make as deep an impression, or the scanner wasn’t that good, it will not show up.

I really don’t see any mystery in the difficulty detecting the seal on the newer certificate vs the older ones.


205 posted on 07/02/2008 5:13:20 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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