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Beyond Guns: The Deeper Meaning of Heller
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 28 June 2008 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 06/28/2008 2:11:52 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Yes, this is normal procedure. The authorship of the Opinion and the Dissent are established when the cases are actually decided, in the Friday conference on all cases argued that week. Then, as the weeks and months pass, the proposed Opinion and Dissent are circulated among the Justices for comment and review.

According to the book, The Brethren, there was exactly one instance when the circulation of opinions caused one Justice to change his mind, which resulted in a change in the whole verdict from 5-4 one way, to 5-4 the other way.

Especially when the divisions among the Justices are very strong, and their criticisms are particularly harsh, you will see cross references like those in Heller. Think of two children squabbling in a sand box, "Did so. Did not. Did so." Now, give both of them advanced degrees and huge vocabularies. What you get is what you see in Heller.

John / Billybob

41 posted on 06/29/2008 9:35:23 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Southack
You got it. That's precisely why I call the Heller decision even more important than just the individual right to keep and bear arms. It is a huge decision, if a majority of the Justices, in most cases, will follow the same logic in future decisions on ANY issue.

John / Billybob

42 posted on 06/29/2008 9:40:18 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: An Old Man
The reason the date, 1992, is important is this: It makes this statement true -- "More than 6,000 of the men and women who wrote the Constitution, are still alive today." That's because any Amendment is just as effective as anything in the original document. (See Article V.) And, about 7,500 then-lving men and women of all beliefs and walks of life, took part in ratifying the last Amendment, as did Congress in accepting it as ratified.

But you're right. Sometimes lawyers ARE a little scary, like they lived in an alternative universe. LOL.

John / Billybob

43 posted on 06/29/2008 9:44:58 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: elk
The scary thing about this is the 4 jurists who decided to ignore the Constitution in the Heller decision.

While I relish this victory, anger and rage still remain due to that fact.

44 posted on 06/29/2008 9:59:38 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I sure would like to see a case brought which would challenge the objectivity of journalism and, on that basis, delegitimate first McConnell v. FEC and ultimately Buckley v. Valeo

45 posted on 06/29/2008 10:54:18 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Southack
BRAVO!!!

Spot on!

46 posted on 06/29/2008 10:56:44 AM PDT by Bigun (“It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.” —Voltaire)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Scalia wrote in effect that D.C.’s laws couldn’t pass any level of scrutiny, IIRC. What does that mean for us peons? Is that in effect strict scrutiny?


47 posted on 06/29/2008 1:51:44 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: donaldo
donaldo said: "The press has never been this servile. "

That's why you and I both cancelled our subscriptions to these liberal rags years ago. That's why neither of us tunes into Dan Rather and his ilk on the broadcast stations.

The liberal media is suffering a staggering decline in readership and viewership and the two of us need to continue encouraging others to join us in starving the liberal media to death.

48 posted on 06/29/2008 1:59:53 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; Fee

Beast, don’t know much about the urban setting, but I’d have to say this isn’t the case in the rurals of the north where where they breed the new State Police troopers.

Fee,
1 gun a month-bill A339- passed a few days before the Heller decision.


49 posted on 06/29/2008 6:04:26 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme ("Don your Kevlar, Mac the knife is at our rear!")
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To: bmwcyle

Don’t feel sorry for us, just donate some bucks to the NRA or GOA on our behalf.

We have a huge uphill battle in this state and its going to take a lot of lawsuits to take back our rights here in NJ.


50 posted on 06/29/2008 6:09:18 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme ("Don your Kevlar, Mac the knife is at our rear!")
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To: cpdiii; NewJerseyJoe

“He said he would”

Sorry, Mac’s dangerous, a liar and a traitor and is/has been on a personal mission to discredit and stamp out conservativism. Not trustworthy when considering judicial nominations, the record would seem to predict.

The one and only reason I will vote for him to be the next CIC is what I hope will be military strength.


51 posted on 06/29/2008 6:18:53 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme ("Don your Kevlar, Mac the knife is at our rear!")
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To: Freemeorkillme
The money is already flowing. You could also start your own group that we have. Stop down we will show you what we do.
52 posted on 06/29/2008 6:21:20 PM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

There is a guy in Millburn, NJ who had his guns and 2nd amendment rights taken away during a divorce when his wife charged him with domestic violence. We incidentally owe the despised and superannuated late Frank Lautenberg, Senator from NJ for this law. Even though his ex later admitted it was a false charge, the poor guy wasn’t able to get his guns or rights back.


53 posted on 06/30/2008 5:18:52 AM PDT by Postman
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To: cpdiii

I agree....and I like that couple of drinks part!


54 posted on 06/30/2008 5:22:07 AM PDT by Postman
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To: Freemeorkillme
Of course, even more important than the election of POTUS, is the composition of the senate. We can confirm the “good” ones and reject the “bad” ones. A two edged sword Q.E.D.

I fear the Mayors will Paraphrase Andrew Jackson : Scalia has made his decision, now let him enforce it. We gunnies will have to fight every block to have this decision have any effect. Talk about urban warfare. Farah said today, that the best reaction would be to buy guns. Like Churchill said, its guns or butter,or gasoline or food. Thats why we need to DRILL NOW!
barbra ann

55 posted on 06/30/2008 5:26:19 AM PDT by barb-tex ( A prudent man (more so for a woman) foreseeth the evil and hideth him self,)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Think of two children squabbling in a sand box, "Did so. Did not. Did so." Now, give both of them advanced degrees and huge vocabularies. What you get is what you see in Heller.

I've seen past opinions, typically dissents, by Scalia where he engages in sarcasm against the "liberal" reasoning of the other side. In this case, however, he completely dispensed with sarcasm, and basically just blasts Stevens and Breyer -- is this an indication of the heatedness of this specific case, or is it a more fundamental division between the two main "wings" of the Court?

56 posted on 06/30/2008 8:29:26 AM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: kevkrom
I see what you see. I think the gloves are off on the Supreme Court. Those who understand and respect the Constitution are going at those who don't, in incredibly strong language.

John / Billybob

57 posted on 06/30/2008 9:08:43 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: bmwcyle; andy58-in-nh; britt reed; ZULU

Just got a call from the Star-Ledger to confirm authorship of my letter. Maybe it will be printed some time this week.


58 posted on 06/30/2008 4:44:23 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Congressman Billybob

Respectfully, everyone is assuming that this case was much bigger than it really is. Yes, the “ban” is gone, but will the new restrictions be any less?


59 posted on 06/30/2008 6:49:11 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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