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To: antiRepublicrat
Re: 219

...I guess you didn't get the memo...

I've read the objections - I just don't understand them. Other than there is a desire for one side to remove a fatal argument from the table. Just because a system is 'open' doesn't negate the underlying principles of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Unless there is some 'high quality' adder to the 'open system' (e.g., Intelligence), the 'open system' is going to 'degrade' (produce less useful mechanical energy) faster than a 'closed system'. That is 'undirected solar energy', or cosmic rays, will break the system down - not build it up...

321 posted on 06/28/2008 9:01:37 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
I've read the objections - I just don't understand them.

The objections are now from the creationists themselves since they've been hammered on it so many times they don't want to look bad anymore.

Just because a system is 'open' doesn't negate the underlying principles of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Here's a bunch of info to digest: Entropy even in a closed system does not necessarily mean "disorder" or "degrade" as would be perceived by the average person, as sometimes increased entropy looks like more order. The 2nd Law also only works on macroscopic systems, not microscopic ones. Entropy does increase in the system if you're looking at the solar system. The sun provides energy for complex processes to occur, such as the hydrological cycle, which aren't just "breaking down." And last, creationists (used to) take what can only truly be expressed with mathematical equations and put words to it that fit what they want it to mean.

326 posted on 06/28/2008 9:43:16 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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