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1 posted on 06/27/2008 2:04:21 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

It isn’t like students are learning science anyway.


2 posted on 06/27/2008 2:07:36 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: EveningStar

Academic freedom. The horror.

(CUE the high priests of Darwin with their usual measured, rational, winsome, NEVER knee-jerk meditations on the subject)


3 posted on 06/27/2008 2:07:48 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: EveningStar
Jindal has signed a stealth creationist bill into law, and American educational standards take a huge step backward

These dramatic statements make me laugh. Since he signed the bill, do 5+2 no longer =7? Are a,e,i,o,and u (and sometimes y) no longer vowels? Did George Washington not command the Colonial troops? Are Atoms no longer made of Protons, Neitrons, and Electrons? Sheesh!

4 posted on 06/27/2008 2:08:14 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: EveningStar

Is Jindal one of them or does he not know the history and got conned by this group?


5 posted on 06/27/2008 2:08:16 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: EveningStar

What a way to slander scientific debate


6 posted on 06/27/2008 2:08:52 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: EveningStar

Did the bill explain how dinosaurs are actually less than 10,000 yrs old? (sarcasm off)


7 posted on 06/27/2008 2:09:50 PM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: EveningStar

The censorship-driven evolutionists are not going to like this.


8 posted on 06/27/2008 2:10:28 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberalism is service to the self disguised as service to others.)
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To: EveningStar

Leftists and darwinists agree: Stifle the Dissent! Silence the critics! Critical thought and disagreements be damned!
It doesn’t matter that most of the greatest scientific discoveries have been by believers in God. No we are far too educated these days.


11 posted on 06/27/2008 2:11:50 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: EveningStar

Sounds perfectly objective to me, if you are either anti God, Marxist or demonic. The great god science is under attack. Bring out the sarcasm and elitism.


12 posted on 06/27/2008 2:11:50 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: EveningStar

Easy way to solve this issue. Bring on the nationally televised debate between the evo’s and intelligent designer’s and let’s see who can support their case.

Mr. Bill Buckley and his ID scientist cohorts did, they did not lose.


17 posted on 06/27/2008 2:18:55 PM PDT by PORD (People...Of Right Do)
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The year was 1999:

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/evol5.htm
GORE WAFFLING IN DEBATE OVER TEACHING OF CREATIONISM?
Web Posted: August 29, 1999

Does he or doesn’t he? That’s the question that academics and reporters are asking today, following a flurry of quotes, news wire reports and clarifications on what Vice President Al Gore’s stand might over the hot-button topic of teaching creationism in public schools. The controversy began early last evening with a Reuters news service article by political correspondent Alan Eisner headlined: “Gore shocks scientists with creationism statement.” According to this account, vice presidential spokesman Alejandro Cabrera declared, “The vice president favors the teaching of evolution in public schools. Obviously, that decision should and will be made at the local level and localities should be free to decide to teach creationism as well.”

According to Eisner, “Several hours” after the initial statement, Cabrera called Reuters again to insist “the vice president supports the right of school boards to teach creationism within the context of religious courses and not science courses.” The story took on a life of its own after that; Reuters sent the dispatch out on its international wire, and over at the Washington Post the gaffe was soon picked up by Hanna Rosin for a piece headlined: “Gore avoids stance against creationism.”

Educators and scientists reacted strongly to the original statement released by the Gore office. “My God, that’s appalling!” declared Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. ...” [snip] click link for lots more.


CNN http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/27/president.2000/evolution.create/

Presidential candidates weigh in on evolution debate
By Bruce Morton/CNN
August 27, 1999
Web posted at: 6:52 p.m. EDT (2252 GMT)

WASHINGTON — Is evolution a political issue?

Should presidential candidates be arguing over whether the planet is 4 billion years old, or whether was it made in six days 10,000 years ago, or if men and dinosaurs coexisted?

It all started when a spokesman for Vice President Al Gore announced that the vice president “favors the teaching of evolution in the public schools,” adding the decision should be local and “localities should be free to teach creationism as well.”

But Louisiana passed a law to give creationism equal teaching time and the Supreme Court struck it down as endorsing religion.

The Gore spokesman then said Gore supported teaching creationism in certain contexts, such as in a religion class, which has not been ruled unconstitutional.

Gore’s boss, President Bill Clinton, agrees that local control of schools is proper.

“I think the president believes the curriculum is by law and by all common practice left to local school boards,” White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart said. “I think the president believes, that the local school boards, though, are bound by the law of the land and the Supreme Court has spoken very clearly on this issue.”

What do the Republican presidential hopefuls say about evolution?

Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the GOP front-runner, believes both evolution and creationism are valid educational subjects.

“He believes it is a question for states and local school boards to decide but believes both ought to be taught,” a spokeswoman said.

Former Red Cross Chair Elizabeth Dole and Arizona Sen. John McCain expressed no preference, simply saying the decision should be local.

Publisher Steve Forbes agreed, and called textbook illustrations about evolution “a massive fraud.”

Gary Bauer, head of the Family Research Council, said he does not teach his children that they are “descendant from apes.”

Evolutionists don’t say that either, of course. They say todays apes and humans have a common ancestor, a species called australopithecus.

Bauer said he does not accept a theory that claims no divine intelligence was involved in man’s origination and alleges that life arose spontaneously.

Pope John Paul II announced last year that the Roman Catholic church would not oppose evolution — it seems to be mostly fundamentalist Protestants who oppose the theory.

But it remains to be seen whether this argument, which never seems to fall completely out of the public discourse, will play a major role in the still-evolving 2000 presidential election landscape.


20 posted on 06/27/2008 2:21:25 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase Two Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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...To bill is designed to "create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning." ...

Geeze ... what an awful Bill - can't have people asking questions...

It passed 94 to 3 in the Louisiana House, and 36-0 in the State Senate ...
How terrible that Mr. Jindal didn't call out the State Troopers to squish this Bill, since its obviously against the best interest of the people...

Kudos to the state of Louisiana (we'll never see a bill like this in California)...

21 posted on 06/27/2008 2:22:57 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Bye bye, Bobby. You weren’t really in the running for VP anyway, but now thank God you’re gone.


22 posted on 06/27/2008 2:23:03 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: EveningStar

Maybe they can have Creationists school board members teach it in Science class like they had to in Dover. Science instructors usually prefer to teach actual Science.


26 posted on 06/27/2008 2:28:54 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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I love the criminal language in this tripe. A Stealth bill (not so stealth if we know about it). Front group for Creationists. Lovely. Bookem Dan-o. They actually have the audacity to believe that the evidence points in another direction!


27 posted on 06/27/2008 2:29:42 PM PDT by Blogger
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That’s it for Jindal as VP then...next!...magritte


32 posted on 06/27/2008 2:35:39 PM PDT by magritte (If a problem comes along, you must whip it.)
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First chemical castration for child rapists, now academic freedom in government schools. What mischief will he think of next,... lowering taxes?


38 posted on 06/27/2008 2:41:20 PM PDT by Gritty (Government "change" generally does nothing more than set in motion the next crisis-Mark Steyn)
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To: EveningStar

Gee, just when I think this guy might be different.


64 posted on 06/27/2008 3:15:39 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal has signed a stealth creationist bill into law, and American educational standards take a huge step backward...

This is the rhetoric of the desparate.

82 posted on 06/27/2008 3:36:16 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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Look. This bill is an open, engraved invitation for ANY group with an agenda to come in an "game" the science curricula. Any of you creationists who think this will introduce more copies of The Discovery Institute's Of Pandas and People into Louisiana schools than of algore's An Inconvenient Truth, and other such leftoid propaganda, are smokin' crack.

Celebrate now, while your delusion lasts, 'cause this bill screams "unintended consequences".

97 posted on 06/27/2008 3:49:25 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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