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To: Joe 6-pack

It can be argued that the .30 Carbine round was one of the first assault-type medium cartridge, but in reality it was closer to a pistol cartridge than rifle cartridge in performance.

Howerver, the M1 Carbine that fired it was incapapble of full-auto fire. The selective fire M2 was not introduced until 1944, around the same time at the STg.

Therefore, in my mind at least, it was not the first assault rifle.


88 posted on 06/29/2008 5:56:32 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo
"Therefore, in my mind at least, it was not the first assault rifle."

Certainly not, but it certainly had a role in the development of the concept and design, especially on the US side of the house. German tactical doctrine made much more extensive use of the submachine gun (MP38/40) and the desire was for a similar weapon with a cartridge falling somewhere between a pistol abnd a primary battle rifle.

The U.S. on the other hand, was not looking at a primarily offensive round, but something for logistics and rear area soldiers which was not as cumbersome as a Springfield or Garand, but had substantially more range than a 1911. In some ways, the .30 carbine was actually the Pederson Device brought forward by about 20 years, and which had been designed for front-line infantry.

I personally like this poster which shows the M1A1, not in the primary lineage of the modern assualt rifle, but in a "weird uncle" kind of role that can not be entirely excluded, either.


93 posted on 06/30/2008 6:20:26 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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