Real friends, real enemies-Presbyterian Israel-bashing shows Jews clueless about Christian groups

Jerusalem Post ^ | 6-26-08 | JONATHAN TOBIN

[SJackson]

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[Gamecock]

Let’s not confuse the Presbyterian church(USA) with the Orthodox Presbyterians, the Presbyterian Church in America, etc....

[Sudetenland]

It is maddening to see so many "Christians" using the false concept of "moral equivalency" in drawing parallels between the muderous actions of Palestinian suicide bombers with the efforts of Israel to punish the perpetrators of those acts. Self defense is the right of every person and nation.

These mainline Left-wing controlled political organizations like the Presbyterian, Episcopalian, and United Methodist "Churches," are more interested in their achieveing their political agendas than they are in saving souls or telling the truth...as are all Liberals more interested in achieving their political aims than in actually helping their constituents.

This pernicious concept of "moral equivalency" is an evil which must be confronted where ever it pops up. The statements of the Presbyterian (and other) "mainline churches" (including my own Methodist) are an affront to any who believes in truth and the tenets of the Bible and the faith these "mainline churches" profess.

[Maine Mariner]

Don’t forget one other mainline Protestant Church, the United Church of Christ, which includes Rev. Wright’s Trinity Church in Chicago.
Much of what is written in the denomination’s newsletter could have come from the Nation magazine. One UCC leader in essence said on September 12, 2001 that we deserved what happened on September 11.

[LuxMaker]

I have been going to 1st Presbyterian church of Colorado Springs for over 6 years now and have never heard or seen one antisemitic thing in all that time. I am not sure what Presbytery they are addressing in this article.

[vae_victus]

What is not generally understood is the theological basis for such a ruling by the Presbyterians.

While there is no “Evangelical” denomination, evangelicals generally believe that Israel’s existence is fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

Reform groups, such as the Presbyterians, do not. Their belief is that the church is the “spiritual” Israel, thus replacing the current state of Israel in the Bible’s promises.

This forms the opinions on each group’s ultimate political views on the nation of Israel.

It does not, however justify their ignoring the true history
of Israel and the so-called Palestinian “nation.”

[Convert from ECUSA]

Useless “churches” in name only ping!

Memo to Jewish friends: These “churches” do NOT, repeat, do NOT in any remote, way, shape or form, represent the view of real Christians. These “churches” are red-daiper bolshie marxist heathen trash trying to cloak themselves with religion, and they are the lowest form of gutter trash after the Amalekstinians.

[444Flyer]

The Presbyterian USA long ago left the dock and sunk. This is the type of church that would have placated Hitler to “keep the peace”. Their view on Israel is non-Biblical and sickening.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks C from E for both.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2036656/posts

[Convert from ECUSA]

My former denomination, the Whiskeypagan Chucklehead of the USA (ECUSA - they now call themselves by a new name since the 2003 fiasco with V.G. Robinson), is just as bad when in it comes to Israel, at least among the leadership, most of the “bishops”, etc. As rad-lefty red diaper marxists-in-christian-clothing as you can imagine. They make the PCUSA look almost orthodox in comparison.

[phillyfanatic]

Correct. I left the PresbyLibersocialistpacifist Church some 20 plus years ago and pastored for 20 years at an independent conservative Christ centered MB church. As a college instructor, a Christian, and a retired pastor now, I have always been pro-Israel and have always scratched my head over the evil of our Mainline liberal churches who kow tow to Castro, Chavez, the North Koreans and the Islamofascist thugs supposedly in a trend of being non-judgemental and ‘loving their enemies.’ Useful idiots Lenin called that type.And sure enough, they loved Angela Davis too and thought that the Chicoms were ‘agrarian reformers.’
And so they have been dupes and fellow travelers with evil for over 80 years now.

[Marysecretary]

And let’s not confuse them with the Christian right, either.

[Marysecretary]

I don’t understand it either, philly. Don’t they read the Bible? (probably not) Don’t they know that God does NOT want Israel/Jerusalem divided? (probably not) Don’t they realize they are in peril for hyping this Palestinaian state business? (probably not) What’s just as bad is that Rice and Pres. Bush are going right along with it. No wonder he’s doing so badly in the polls. God is trying to get his attention.

[Gamecock]

You make a good point, though I am sure there is a remnant.

[Marysecretary]

Yes, I believe that, too.

[Salem]

"Memo to Jewish friends: These “churches” do NOT, repeat, do NOT in any remote, way, shape or form, represent the view of real Christians. These “churches” are red-daiper bolshie marxist heathen trash trying to cloak themselves with religion, and they are the lowest form of gutter trash after the Amalekstinians."

  

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[fatez]

1st Pres is an excellent church that is in the pueblo presbytery, which overall is pretty conservative. The GA and Lexingtion where the HQ is located is overan with doctrinal libs. I left a church that is a daughter of 1st pres a couple of years ago. I cannot stand what the Pres USA has become and where my tithe was going, so I left. Fight the good fight, you have a great church.

[wjcsux]

I was an Elder in the Presbyterian Church USA. I left in the early 90’s because of their extreme pro-homosexual and anti-family bias they started taking at that time. I am now with a PCA church that teaches Gods Word instead of PC crap.