Posted on 06/24/2008 9:34:49 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
Today I pulled the image of the birth certificate from the Obama website and called the Department of Health in Hawaii and got an email address and sent the birth certificate as an attachment.
I asked them if this image was of a valid, authentic birth certificate. I will let you know their response.
I think we're treating this a bit too lightly, there are many unanswered questions with huge implications, not the least of which is the trustworthiness of the candidate. If DOH says definitively that some fields were manipulated, the logical question would by why? It seems there are many areas of concern, even a question about the marital status of his mother and father.
Again, I will let you know their answers.
Once upon a time, I had some documents notarized and the notary embossed his seal. Recently I've had some documents notarized and the notary used a stamp on the front of the document - another used his stamp on the back.
-PJ
(in my best Frito voice) “I like lattes...” ;)
Anything is possible - - but BOTH schools?
The issue is that he, through his own website established to clear up rumors, presented a forgery of an official document as if it were a real document. That is a lie, even if the facts of his birth printed on the document are true. It is a lie, and such forgeries of official documents are often a criminal action.
Maybe records were sent from one school to the other and an error was perpetuated.
I doubt that it a forgery, however. I think the old saying “never assign to conspiracy, misdeed or malintent that which can be caused by simple human stupidity” is operative here.
First, there is no “superiority of provenance” here. There is nothing to say one specific document is correct while another is a forgery. The inconsistencies may be from forgery, but are much more likely to be caused by a different color scan of the docs when posted on the net, whether or not ink bled through, different wordings used at different times, etc.
Regarding the wordings, remember that this is not an original filed document, but simply a “report” of what the original filed document said. The fact that they used the word “African” 47 years is certainly understandable. I once saw an industrial accident report written about a Negro by an redneck in 1962. The part of body injured was listed as “left hind foot” by the redneck trying to be funny.
The reason I don't think this is an issue is that, in races for the Senate or President, campaigns spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on what is politely called “opposition research.” They look at everything a candidate ever did, talking with as many people as they can find, etc. It's more in depth that a Yankee White or Keyhole-Talent level investigation.
There are so many records that can confirm his birth, hospital, doctors, possibly an ambulance run, post-natal immunization records, newspaper announcements of the birth, etc. Many have consecutive numbers which is nearly impossible to beat. Since there have been questions, the other canddiates and reporters would be all over everything here. They would have talked to doctors and nurses, (some are certainly still alive) neighbors who remember when the baby was brought home, seen pictures with Mom and her parents and days-old BHO.
If there was anything to this, The Hillary campaign would have used it to drive him out of the race long before Iowa.
Be well
Well, it means other stuff too ~ like people tapping the powerlines with ad hoc and very dangerous lines of their own.
Then there's the problem of disease ~ they got a lot of it. And volcanoes ~ Indonesia is piled sky high with the things ~ and there's always one or two going off on them.
Trying to be exacting with their public records system is pretty silly.
Did you know that there's one peat fire there that's on fire and producing up to 25% of the total world output of CO2?
The correspondent. presumably the mother, provided the racial identifer (if anyone did). His baby daddy was not present having already abandoned his woman to go to Harvard.
In ancient times they'd said the god Mars must have impregnated her or something. Old, old story eh~!
The correspondent. presumably the mother, provided the racial identifer (if anyone did). His baby daddy was not present having already abandoned his woman to go to Harvard.
In ancient times they'd said the god Mars must have impregnated her or something. Old, old story eh~!
Nuns keep wonderful records.
I can't answer why the Clintons did not check it out, but crooks are dumb. Even the Clintons.
Still "African"? You'd have to show me some examples of concurrent use in this birth record context.
We are talking about 1961, not 1964. Things were different then. People could write down things as they saw them, not as they were required to use them.
Still, one of the most famous uses of the expression "African race" came in Justice Taney's infamous decision on the constitutionality of slavery:
"1857 United States High Court upholds slavery since blacks "not citizens." In Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), Chief Justice Taney argued if members of the African race were "citizens" they would be exempt from the special "police regulations" applicable to them. "It would give to persons of the negro race...full liberty of speech...to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went." (Id. p. 417) U.S. Supreme Court held that descendants of Africans who were imported into this country and sold as slaves were not included nor intended to be included under the word "citizens" in the Constitution, whether emancipated or not, and remained without rights or privileges except such as those which the government might grant them, thereby upholding slavery. Also held that a slave did not become free when taken into a free state; that Congress cannot bar slavery in any territory; and that blacks could not be citizens."
That's just before the Civil War.
That usage continued in legal documents of all kinds for the next century.
We need a judge who can be fearless enough to go straight back to the anchorpoint in the calm established harbor of Natural Law, rather than just push the tiller of the keel-less wanderer a little in what may be the right direction.
Still, all that is off current thread topic.
The fifties and early sixties had a different concept of "African". WW II had taken us to North Africa. The creation of Israel was in 1947. Egypt was in turmoil during the fifties, and we almost had a third world war over the Suez Canal circa 1956. Africa meant in that time frame in the US, white arab and berber Northern Africa as much as negro "Dark Africa".
The polite word for a black man then was "negro", or perhaps "colored".
I don't think "African" would have been used. I do not think it was anywhere near as common as you would suggest, I think it was rare.
But ... if the grandmother was somehow involved in an effort at the time to clean-up her daughter's record -- that is Obama's birth certificate, perhaps SHE had the clerk enter "African" as an improvement over "Negro".
There's something fishy about Obama's birth record and it may well go back to the time just after he was born.
I am surprised, in fact, that the original record didn't state he was "kurachon". That would, in fact, make more sense than the use of unfamiliar phrases from the "48".
BTW, identifying someone as "black" would be absolutely meaningless in Hawaii ~ particularly in the areas where there are a lot of Polynesians, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese, Philippinos, or others who work outside in the Sun most of the year.
I am surprised, in fact, that the original record didn't state he was "kurachon". That would, in fact, make more sense than the use of unfamiliar phrases from the "48".
BTW, identifying someone as "black" would be absolutely meaningless in Hawaii ~ particularly in the areas where there are a lot of Polynesians, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese, Philippinos, or others who work outside in the Sun most of the year.
What was Obama’s grandother’s high status position in Hawaii? I hadn’t heard anything about that. Thanks.
Madelyn Dunham, Obama's grandmother, blazed a feminist trail in Hawaii banking circles in the late 1960s and early 1970s and rose to become one of the Bank of Hawaii's first female vice presidentsBut that's the LATE sixties. Okay ...
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