Posted on 06/23/2008 8:00:49 AM PDT by K-oneTexas
What 'President Obama' Would Do On FISA, Iraq Pull-Out
by John Gizzi
A President Barack Obama would support some kind of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act program with oversight by Congress. And Obama is still firmly committed to a pull-out of U.S. troops from Iraq in sixteen months. However, his sole escape clause from that exit strategy is guidance and advice of commanders on the ground.
Thats what Obamas top campaign spokesman told me last week. At a breakfast for more than forty Washington reporters hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, top Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs was fielding questions centered mostly on the certain Democratic presidential nominees decision to opt out of public financing in the fall. (If elected over John McCain, Obama would be the first President since Richard Nixon to win the White House solely on private campaign dollars). But Gibbs also took my questions on FISA and the Iraq pullout his candidate has long called for.
The senator has been quite forceful on the need for a robust surveillance effort, Gibbs told me, after I pointed out to him that Obama voted against the bipartisan Rockefeller-Bond surveillance legislation last year, He has talked repeatedly about making sure somebody watches the watchers. I dont think you should necessarily trust an Obama Administration anymore than you should trust a Bush Administration or a McCain Administration. He believes that it could be done through the FISA court, that somebody watches the watchers. But I dont think that theres any doubt that you have to have a robust surveillance program that meets the technological demands of the 21st Century. (Gibbs did not elaborate on whether a FISA court should be a special judicial panel dealing exclusively with surveillance or whether it would be in the hands of federal judges).
On Iraq, Gibbs said, Obviously, Senator Obama will seek the advice and guidance of commanders on the ground in Iraq. But his belief is that we have asked so much of our men and women, so much of our military apparatus, so much of their families, and that unless or until we give the Iraqis a signal that we wont be there for 100 years, that were not going to set up permanent bases, that the type of political reconciliation that was the original intent of the surge isnt going to take place and isnt going to take place in any robust way.
Unless or until you send a firm signal that we are not going to be there forever, it is going to be incapable for the parties to come together to seek political reconciliation to govern their own country.
So, I asked Gibbs, there are no circumstances under which a President Obama would not withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq in sixteen months?
No, he replied, voicing the escape clause for Obama, I said originally that hes going to listen to commanders on the ground, obviously.
But, Gibbs quickly underscored, He believes that, as commander-in-chief, he has to set a new mission. He has said often that we have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. We cant do this precipitously and he believes what we have set up is not a precipitous withdrawal.
John Gizzi is Political Editor of HUMAN EVENTS.
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National Review Online
June 23, 2008, 4:00 a.m.
Finally Fixing FISA
By the Editors
I really hate to see “President” in front of this a-holes name. Hopefully he will never get that far.
In my experience, liberals talk a big game when they’re sniping from the sidelines ... but are hesitant to act when they’re sitting in the big chair and are poised to take all the blame. Reality generally sets in pretty quick.
My prediction — neither Presidential candidate will withdraw from Iraq within a first term, and neither will substantially change FISA or any other counterterrorist operations. It is one thing to bitch and moan when the other party is in power — it is quite another to be personally responsible for weakening counterterrorist activities and losing a conflict in the War on Terror.
Democrats would LOVE to see George Bush withdraw from Iraq, and Republicans take the blame for the ensuing catastrophe. They would also LOVE to see FISA weakened, and Republicans to be blamed for the next attack. They will not, however, be content to do those things and take the blame themselves.
H
Those who stay home in protest of McCain, those who vote third party or do a ‘write in’ will put Barack Hussein Obama in the White House. He WILL become president unless we all get out and vote McCain. Every black church and organization, every mosque and Muslim organization in every city and town across this country will get ‘em out to vote for Obama if they have to bus ‘em in! This is war, folks.
We must get the word out about Obama. We are fighting for America.
“...Neither Presidential candidate will withdraw from Iraq within a first term...”
Which candidate will be strong after we are attacked again? I have serious doubts about Obama. He will probably invite the attackers to the White House for tea and scones.
Agreed. McCain would be better, by a long shot.
My point wasn’t that there would be no difference between Obama and McCain — clearly that is not the case. My point is merely that we’ve survived liberal Presidents before, and we’d do so again if necessary.
I just don’t buy into much of the Chicken Little stuff — “most important election in history”, etc., etc. This election is no more important than the last, and no less than the next.
H
Obama is committed to turning the US into a 3rd world socialist country over the next 4 years.
Oh pshaw!!! Stop being an alarmist!! We can’t work to elect McCain because he’s not the perfect conservative and we must stand on principle. We must teach the Party a lesson and if that means the end of all we have lived and died through 2 World Wars and countless lesser actions for, then so be it.
Let Hussein win, boy that’ll teach everyone a lesson. A few years of Marxism never hurt anyone, at least not THAT much.
Elect Hussein and America as we know it will die.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Ever since 9/11 the person at the helm in this country has taken on vastly more importance. For the first time in our history there are millions of not very smart people around the world who want us dead simply for what we believe. The worst part is they think nothing of sacrificing themselves and killing great numbers of innocent people to accomplish their goals of a world dominated by their twisted beliefs.
It’s not the same as before 9/11, it’s not even close to being the same.
We’ll probably want a good number of troops there in the well-secured bases we have built, not doing a whole lot but being ready on a moment’s notice.
I would hope that within 16 months of the next administration, we’d pretty much be done with actual missions, except for maybe Al Qaeda hunting.
Political reconciliation is already happening, so his contention that it can’t start unless we are gone is absurd.
Among the primary tenets of conservatism — there is simply nothing new under the sun.
>> You couldnt be more wrong. Ever since 9/11 the person at the helm in this country has taken on vastly more importance.
Every generation seems to think they’re living in a time of “vastly more importance” — a belief that generally stems from a natural narcissism and some ignorance of predecessor threats to the safety and existence of this great country.
Our leader now is simply no more important than our leader during the Vietnam War, Cold War, WWII, the Civil War, Gulf War, Great Depression, counter-cultural upheaval of the 60’s and 70’s, etc.
>> For the first time in our history there are millions of not very smart people around the world who want us dead simply for what we believe
This is hardly the first time. The Brits wanted to kill us in the 1770s and early 1800s. The North/South wanted to kill each other in the 1860s. The Nazis in the 1930s/1940s. The Japanese in the 1930s/1940s. The Commies in the 1950s-1980s. Hell — the Soviets had nuclear missiles in Cuba in the 1960s. And, various terrorist organizations have wanted us and Israel dead since 1970.
>> The worst part is they think nothing of sacrificing themselves and killing great numbers of innocent people to accomplish their goals of a world dominated by their twisted beliefs.
Ever hear of the Kamikazes? They were Japanese pilots that thought nothing of sacrificing themselves to kill great numbers of American soldiers to accomplish their goals of a world dominated by their twisted beliefs. Same with Nazi soldiers, the Vietcong, Saddam’s minions, etc. History is riddled with the bodies of fanatics that were willing to die for their own distorted cause.
(”I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.” — Gen. George S. Patton)
>> Its not the same as before 9/11, its not even close to being the same.
9/11 did change things. But, it seems to me it was more a reminder of how dangerous a world governed by evil can be. 9/11 was a wake-up call to a complacent America that hadn’t been truly tested since the fall of the Berlin Wall. It was a wake-up call to a country that had become a bit too laid back ... but it was hardly the first legitimate threat to the existence of the United States and to the primacy of freedom worldwide.
H
You are wrong. We will suffer the consequences of laws passed, more handout programs and leftist judges. Let Hussein win and America will be brought to her knees
I am not staying home and will go to vote for McCain. Anyone would be better than that Muslim Barack “Hussein” Obama.
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Spy on Republicans.
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