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What 'President Obama' Would Do On FISA, Iraq Pull-Out
HumanEvents.com ^ | 06/23/2008 | John Gizzi

Posted on 06/23/2008 8:00:49 AM PDT by K-oneTexas

What 'President Obama' Would Do On FISA, Iraq Pull-Out
by John Gizzi

A President Barack Obama would support some kind of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act program with oversight by Congress. And Obama is still firmly committed to a pull-out of U.S. troops from Iraq in sixteen months. However, his sole “escape clause” from that exit strategy is “guidance and advice of commanders on the ground.”

That’s what Obama’s top campaign spokesman told me last week. At a breakfast for more than forty Washington reporters hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, top Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs was fielding questions centered mostly on the certain Democratic presidential nominee’s decision to opt out of public financing in the fall. (If elected over John McCain, Obama would be the first President since Richard Nixon to win the White House solely on private campaign dollars). But Gibbs also took my questions on FISA and the Iraq pullout his candidate has long called for.

“The senator has been quite forceful on the need for a robust surveillance effort,” Gibbs told me, after I pointed out to him that Obama voted against the bipartisan Rockefeller-Bond surveillance legislation last year, “ He has talked repeatedly about making sure somebody watches the watchers. I don’t think you should necessarily trust an Obama Administration anymore than you should trust a Bush Administration or a McCain Administration. He believes that it could be done through the FISA court, that somebody watches the watchers. But I don’t think that there’s any doubt that you have to have a robust surveillance program that meets the technological demands of the 21st Century.” (Gibbs did not elaborate on whether a FISA court should be a special judicial panel dealing exclusively with surveillance or whether it would be in the hands of federal judges).

On Iraq, Gibbs said, “Obviously, Senator Obama will seek the advice and guidance of commanders on the ground in Iraq. But his belief is that we have asked so much of our men and women, so much of our military apparatus, so much of their families, and that unless or until we give the Iraqis a signal that we won’t be there for 100 years, that we’re not going to set up permanent bases, that the type of political reconciliation that was the original intent of the surge isn’t going to take place and isn’t going to take place in any robust way.

“Unless or until you send a firm signal that we are not going to be there forever, it is going to be incapable for the parties to come together to seek political reconciliation to govern their own country.”

So, I asked Gibbs, “there are no circumstances” under which a “President Obama” would not withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq in sixteen months?

“No,” he replied, voicing the “escape clause” for Obama, “I said originally that he’s going to listen to commanders on the ground, obviously.”

But, Gibbs quickly underscored, “He believes that, as commander-in-chief, he has to set a new mission. He has said often that we have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. We can’t do this precipitously and he believes what we have set up is not a precipitous withdrawal.”

John Gizzi is Political Editor of HUMAN EVENTS.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; fisa; issues; obama

1 posted on 06/23/2008 8:03:03 AM PDT by K-oneTexas
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To: All


National Review Online 



Finally Fixing FISA

By the Editors


A compromise bill to overhaul foreign-intelligence surveillance passed in the House last week with an overwhelming bipartisan majority. The measure, strongly supported by the administration, now heads to the Senate. Passage appears certain. This bill is the urgently needed resolution of a national-security crisis caused by the recklessness of leaders of the Democratic party. Embracing that recklessness, Barack Obama threatens to torpedo this important national-security legislation with a poison-pill amendment in the Senate.

Let’s begin at the beginning: This story goes back to 1978 when, in response to Watergate-era snooping scandals, one of the most liberal Congresses in American history persuaded Jimmy Carter to sign the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. FISA purported to transfer ultimate authority over national-security surveillance (that is, eavesdropping on operatives of foreign powers, including terrorist organizations) from the president, in whom the Constitution vests that authority, to the courts. It did so despite the Supreme Court’s longstanding recognition that judges are institutionally incompetent in the exercise of such power.

But even the Congress that enacted FISA offered some bright-line limits on judicial interference. The point of FISA was to provide Americans with privacy protection. It required the executive branch to show the FISA court probable cause that a target was an “agent of a foreign power” before eavesdropping on communications within the United States. FISA intentionally exempted from court jurisdiction the communications of non-Americans operating beyond our borders. Such aliens enjoy no privacy protections under U.S. law. Under FISA, the intelligence community remained free, as it had always been, to gather information overseas without judicial restrictions.

That arrangement endured until a secret 2007 FISA court ruling abruptly reversed 30 years of intelligence law. The court reasoned that, because modern technology often routes digital communications through U.S. networks even when all parties to the conversation are located outside the United States, such phone and email contacts should fall within FISA court supervision. This meant that our intelligence operators were required to comply with the laborious FISA application process even for “foreign-to-foreign” communications — such as, say, calls between terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The ruling suddenly extended FISA to potentially millions of previously uncovered communications. It threatened to shut down overseas intelligence collection. Even Democrats conceded that a legislative fix was needed. But they agreed only to a stopgap measure (the “Protect Act”), which would expire after six months — during which time Democrats promised to ratchet up what they call “privacy protections” but which are actually an extension of Americans' civil liberties to overseas intelligence targets.

Negotiations tripped up, among other things, on the matter of immunity for telecommunications companies. At the request of the administration, telecoms had assisted in the NSA’s surveillance program. The administration had assured the telecoms that the program was legal — and with good reason. All the federal appellate courts that have dealt with the issue, including the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review (the top court established in FISA precisely to rule authoritatively on such matters), reasoned that the FISA statute did not, and could not, repeal the president’s constitutional authority to monitor foreign threats to national security without judicial oversight.

Frustrated in its efforts to attack the administration directly — because the public supported aggressive surveillance against the enemy and because the government can assert its state-secrets privilege in court — organizations such as the ACLU and CAIR set their sights on the telecoms. Numerous lawsuits were filed, confronting the telecoms, their shareholders, and customers with the prospect of billions of dollars in liability.

The administration insisted that the FISA compromise had to include legal immunity protecting the telecoms from these ruinous, politically driven lawsuits. After thoroughly investigating the NSA program, the Democrat-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence agreed, proposing a bill that won lop-sided approval in committee and that was eventually passed by a wide bipartisan margin in the upper chamber.

But House Democrats, taking their cues from Barack Obama and the party’s MoveOn.org wing, refused to permit a vote on the Senate bill. Thus, for four months, the intelligence community has been hamstrung in its ability to collect information on newly emerging terror cells. National Intelligence Director Michael McConnell, a longtime, non-partisan professional who held key national-security posts in the Clinton administration, warned that our intelligence was being degraded by the failure to pass the FISA bill.

Now, finally, a compromise has been struck. It is far from perfect: Democrats insisted on increasing the FISA court’s power to approve intelligence-gathering procedures. They have maintained the courtroom “probable cause” standard, an unnecessary hurdle for national-security surveillance. In addition, a platoon of inspectors-general will now investigate the NSA program even though it has already been extensively probed by Congress. And leaning deeply into the wrong turn first taken in the original FISA legislation, lawmakers have included unconstitutional language that purports to deprive the commander-in-chief of his Article II authority to monitor our enemies absent court permission.

All that said, the compromise is a necessary one. To burden our intelligence gathering overseas with FISA restrictions, imposed by a judiciary increasingly inclined toward unprecedented due process rights for hostile aliens, is madness. The compromise bill essentially restores foreign-surveillance authority. Moreover, it immunizes telecoms that answered government’s call for assistance after 9/11. It is not “blanket” immunity. To get it, telecoms will have to show they were given assurance that the president had determined the NSA program was legal. The resulting dismissal of suits against such good-faith actors is vital to our national defense. If legal damages are the wages of helping government protect a nation under attack, the industry will have no choice but to withhold its cooperation.

This week, Sen. Obama promises to propose an immunity-stripping amendment when the Senate takes up the bill. That effort is certain to fail, but if successful would almost certainly prevent the compromise from becoming law, and would therefore leave our intelligence agencies in their current hobbled condition. The McCain campaign should take note: The public wants aggressive surveillance against our enemies, and we need it as a nation. Adult Democrats know that. Too bad Sen. Obama can’t be counted among their number.

National Review Online - http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGRhMDc0YTBlYzZmMTlkYzg3Njc0NDNmOWFmNmU2YzI=

2 posted on 06/23/2008 8:09:59 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas

I really hate to see “President” in front of this a-holes name. Hopefully he will never get that far.


3 posted on 06/23/2008 8:10:09 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: K-oneTexas

In my experience, liberals talk a big game when they’re sniping from the sidelines ... but are hesitant to act when they’re sitting in the big chair and are poised to take all the blame. Reality generally sets in pretty quick.

My prediction — neither Presidential candidate will withdraw from Iraq within a first term, and neither will substantially change FISA or any other counterterrorist operations. It is one thing to bitch and moan when the other party is in power — it is quite another to be personally responsible for weakening counterterrorist activities and losing a conflict in the War on Terror.

Democrats would LOVE to see George Bush withdraw from Iraq, and Republicans take the blame for the ensuing catastrophe. They would also LOVE to see FISA weakened, and Republicans to be blamed for the next attack. They will not, however, be content to do those things and take the blame themselves.

H


4 posted on 06/23/2008 8:40:14 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: Piquaboy

Those who stay home in protest of McCain, those who vote third party or do a ‘write in’ will put Barack Hussein Obama in the White House. He WILL become president unless we all get out and vote McCain. Every black church and organization, every mosque and Muslim organization in every city and town across this country will get ‘em out to vote for Obama if they have to bus ‘em in! This is war, folks.
We must get the word out about Obama. We are fighting for America.


5 posted on 06/23/2008 8:44:35 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Hemorrhage

“...Neither Presidential candidate will withdraw from Iraq within a first term...”

Which candidate will be strong after we are attacked again? I have serious doubts about Obama. He will probably invite the attackers to the White House for tea and scones.


6 posted on 06/23/2008 9:16:49 AM PDT by LottieDah (Democrats and liberals never fail to disappoint.)
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To: LottieDah

Agreed. McCain would be better, by a long shot.

My point wasn’t that there would be no difference between Obama and McCain — clearly that is not the case. My point is merely that we’ve survived liberal Presidents before, and we’d do so again if necessary.

I just don’t buy into much of the Chicken Little stuff — “most important election in history”, etc., etc. This election is no more important than the last, and no less than the next.

H


7 posted on 06/23/2008 9:20:50 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: K-oneTexas

Obama is committed to turning the US into a 3rd world socialist country over the next 4 years.


8 posted on 06/23/2008 9:24:41 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: patriot08

Oh pshaw!!! Stop being an alarmist!! We can’t work to elect McCain because he’s not the perfect conservative and we must stand on principle. We must teach the Party a lesson and if that means the end of all we have lived and died through 2 World Wars and countless lesser actions for, then so be it.

Let Hussein win, boy that’ll teach everyone a lesson. A few years of Marxism never hurt anyone, at least not THAT much.

Elect Hussein and America as we know it will die.


9 posted on 06/23/2008 9:25:59 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: Hemorrhage

You couldn’t be more wrong. Ever since 9/11 the person at the helm in this country has taken on vastly more importance. For the first time in our history there are millions of not very smart people around the world who want us dead simply for what we believe. The worst part is they think nothing of sacrificing themselves and killing great numbers of innocent people to accomplish their goals of a world dominated by their twisted beliefs.

It’s not the same as before 9/11, it’s not even close to being the same.


10 posted on 06/23/2008 9:31:49 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: K-oneTexas

We’ll probably want a good number of troops there in the well-secured bases we have built, not doing a whole lot but being ready on a moment’s notice.

I would hope that within 16 months of the next administration, we’d pretty much be done with actual missions, except for maybe Al Qaeda hunting.

Political reconciliation is already happening, so his contention that it can’t start unless we are gone is absurd.


11 posted on 06/23/2008 10:06:43 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: lexusppd

Among the primary tenets of conservatism — there is simply nothing new under the sun.

>> You couldn’t be more wrong. Ever since 9/11 the person at the helm in this country has taken on vastly more importance.

Every generation seems to think they’re living in a time of “vastly more importance” — a belief that generally stems from a natural narcissism and some ignorance of predecessor threats to the safety and existence of this great country.

Our leader now is simply no more important than our leader during the Vietnam War, Cold War, WWII, the Civil War, Gulf War, Great Depression, counter-cultural upheaval of the 60’s and 70’s, etc.

>> For the first time in our history there are millions of not very smart people around the world who want us dead simply for what we believe

This is hardly the first time. The Brits wanted to kill us in the 1770s and early 1800s. The North/South wanted to kill each other in the 1860s. The Nazis in the 1930s/1940s. The Japanese in the 1930s/1940s. The Commies in the 1950s-1980s. Hell — the Soviets had nuclear missiles in Cuba in the 1960s. And, various terrorist organizations have wanted us and Israel dead since 1970.

>> The worst part is they think nothing of sacrificing themselves and killing great numbers of innocent people to accomplish their goals of a world dominated by their twisted beliefs.

Ever hear of the Kamikazes? They were Japanese pilots that thought nothing of sacrificing themselves to kill great numbers of American soldiers to accomplish their goals of a world dominated by their twisted beliefs. Same with Nazi soldiers, the Vietcong, Saddam’s minions, etc. History is riddled with the bodies of fanatics that were willing to die for their own distorted cause.

(”I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.” — Gen. George S. Patton)

>> It’s not the same as before 9/11, it’s not even close to being the same.

9/11 did change things. But, it seems to me it was more a reminder of how dangerous a world governed by evil can be. 9/11 was a wake-up call to a complacent America that hadn’t been truly tested since the fall of the Berlin Wall. It was a wake-up call to a country that had become a bit too laid back ... but it was hardly the first legitimate threat to the existence of the United States and to the primacy of freedom worldwide.

H


12 posted on 06/23/2008 10:15:52 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: lexusppd

You are wrong. We will suffer the consequences of laws passed, more handout programs and leftist judges. Let Hussein win and America will be brought to her knees


13 posted on 06/23/2008 11:13:04 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: patriot08

I am not staying home and will go to vote for McCain. Anyone would be better than that Muslim Barack “Hussein” Obama.


14 posted on 06/24/2008 6:15:14 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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15 posted on 06/27/2008 5:41:11 AM PDT by listenhillary (There's more people in the wagon, than there is pushin')
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16 posted on 06/27/2008 5:52:47 AM PDT by listenhillary (There's more people in the wagon, than there is pushin')
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To: K-oneTexas
What 'President Obama' Would Do On FISA

Spy on Republicans.

17 posted on 06/27/2008 5:54:58 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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