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Bond insurers want $125bn of cover wiped out(by banks)
FT ^ | 06/22/08 | Aline van Duyn

Posted on 06/22/2008 7:03:17 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Bond insurers want $125bn of cover wiped out

By Aline van Duyn in New York

Published: June 22 2008 23:30 | Last updated: June 22 2008 23:30

Bond insurers such as Ambac, MBIA and FGIC are talking to banks about wiping out $125bn of insurance on risky debt securities in what could be the only way to limit the financial damage surrounding the bond insurers.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creditcrunch; creditdefaultswap; downgrade; monoline

1 posted on 06/22/2008 7:03:17 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Uncle Ike; RSmithOpt; jiggyboy; 2banana; Travis McGee; OwenKellogg; 31R1O; ...
Fed may need to inject more money into banks, ping!
2 posted on 06/22/2008 7:04:23 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I thought this was an “Outer Banks” story. Sorry.


3 posted on 06/22/2008 7:05:45 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Oh my!


4 posted on 06/22/2008 7:07:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Nice business model. Take in premiums, refuse to pay out.


5 posted on 06/22/2008 7:10:56 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: NativeNewYorker
By saying that paying out would bring down the financial system.:-)

They do 'own the banks', don't they? :-)

6 posted on 06/22/2008 7:24:07 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Not exactly.

Take in premiums. Wait until something bad happens, but no one knows how bad. Make an offer to settle now at a fixed price.


7 posted on 06/22/2008 7:32:42 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The old saying, back when $1,000,000 was real money, “If you owe the bank a thousand, you’ve got a creditor; if you owe the bank a million, you’ve got a partner”.


8 posted on 06/22/2008 7:52:59 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Privatize the profit, socialize the loss.

I am beginning to think the government should have a role to ensure that no one company is allowed to be large enough to threaten the entire system. I am not usually in favor of more regulation, however the actions of these companies indicate a recklessness that must be contained.


9 posted on 06/22/2008 7:59:07 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in battle than it is to live as a slave.)
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10 posted on 06/22/2008 8:43:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Contrary to “popular” opinion, it looks like this is far from over.


11 posted on 06/22/2008 8:49:49 PM PDT by Gritty (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government - James Madison)
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To: Hawk1976
I am beginning to think the government should have a role to ensure that no one company is allowed to be large enough to threaten the entire system. I am not usually in favor of more regulation,

Don't worry that someone is going to pull your free market credentials. Serious economists have long settled this issue, called the welfare theorem. In order to obtain the benefit of a free market you have to have 3 things: 1. NO MONOPOLY (or near equivalent) 2. No information asymmetries, and 3. No externalities.

Money center banks violate all three. Because of the incentives for monopolies to misbehave they have to be regulated to protect the proper functioning of the market.The most ardent (non Randian) free-market economists have long settled the issue. How much regulation, and how do you avoid perverse incentives for the regulators and in the resulting regulation is a serious subject of study that is hotly debated.

You are on solid ground.

12 posted on 06/23/2008 7:00:40 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“Lets pretend we never insured you. Don’t mind, do ‘ya?”

Imagine if your house burned down and your home owners underwriter asked if it’s OK not to pay you for it. Incredible.

The great financial crisis continues to unwind, slowly. This is going to go on and on for years. All I can say is “BULLISH!”


13 posted on 06/23/2008 9:58:00 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Gritty

Indeed. Lots of people want to pretend the worst is behind us, or they are ignorant of the scope of the crisis. We haven’t even hit the Alt-A resets yet. Mortgage rates have yet to rise much. It will be very telling to see if the FED continues to leave rates low in the face of escalating inflation. More than that, will we ultimately have inflation or will deflation outpace it? I have no clue, but yes, this is very far from over despite the FreeperAnnas and others who want to believe the liquidity crisis has run its course. Cue Travis McGee’s quote on it...


14 posted on 06/23/2008 10:02:04 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

It’s just the start!

Wait until the leased cars are returned, cars by the millions are repoed and the credit card defaults start slaming the system.

I think we’re headed for a world wide depression within the next year or two.


15 posted on 06/23/2008 10:16:44 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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