Charter schools deserve support

[wintertime]

The Greenvilleoneline.com has a very interesting article about the **amazing** successes of charters.

Charter schools deserve support

South Carolina was slow in creating charter schools, but Recent test results show seventh-graders scoring 80 percent proficient in math and 66 percent in reading, up from 16 percent in math and 20 percent in reading.

[wintertime]

I support almost anything that helps provide more choice for parents. Charters do that.

Ultimately, though, we need to gradually privatize universal K-12 education.

Recent test results show seventh-graders scoring 80 percent proficient in math and 66 percent in reading, up from 16 percent in math and 20 percent in reading.

My God forever bless the teachers who are working these education miracles. Imagine that! Up from 16% to 80%. Gee! These are the sort of scores homeschoolers are making.

On the other hand, there is likely a special level in Dante's hell for those who are working to oppose the help these children are recieving.

[verga]

The inner cities are the areas that need the most reform, yet they have the highest rate of out of wedlock children.

Many of these women are are public assistance, or are underemployed, and can't afford the cost of home schooling. What do you suggest that they do?

Here is the break down by race of the illegitimacy crisis we have in this country.

Also you need to keep in mind the USA is the only country in the world that offers public education to ALL its citizens.

Now you can either sit around and whine, or you can get elected to a school board and start making changes.

How about getting a degree in education and starting your own charter school, or see if you can work your way up to an administrative position and make changes from the inside?

I have asked you this question half a dozen times and yet you have not responded. Why exactly is that?

http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=1446

Childbearing out-of-wedlock and absence of fathers varies greatly between racial/ethnic groups.The highest rate was non-Hispanic Blacks, among whom 69.4 percent of births were out-of-wedlock. American Indians have the second highest rate at 58.7 percent, followed by Hispanics at 40.92 percent. Among non-Hispanic whites, 21.54 percent of births are out of wedlock, and Asians/Pacific islanders have the 1owest rate with 15.64 percent of births being out-of-wedlock.

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/indicators/75UnmarriedBirths.cfm

Large racial/ethnic differences exist in the percentage of births to unmarried women, with non-Hispanic white women and Asian or Pacific Islander women being much less likely to have a nonmarital birth. In 2005, 69.5 percent of all births to non-Hispanic black women, 63.3 percent of births of American Indian or Alaskan native woman, and 47.9 percent of births to Hispanic women occurred outside of marriage, compared with 25.4 percent for non-Hispanic white women and 16.2 percent for Asian or Pacific Islander women (preliminary estimates).

[PAR35]

A bunch of the charter schools around here have been shut down for fraud.

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When was the last time a government school was shut down for fraud?

[PAR35]

When was the last time a government school was shut down for fraud?

The most recent I know of was 2005. Wilmer-Hutchins Independent School District. After one district refused to take the students, they ended up in the Dallas ISD.

[wintertime]

I recently posted this education article. Since those managing the Public Education Ping list do not ping me, I am pinging you directly.

If you do not want to be contacted *please** let me know, and I will remove your name.

I surely wouldn’t wish to bother you, but I do **not** want you to miss these stories, either. Those managing the Public Education Ping list might fail to notify you due to my being the author of the thread.

I will call this ping list:

“The All Opinions Welcome Government Education Ping List”! Please, please, please notify me if you do not want to be pinged.

Also...If you see an education article please notify me, since I have not been included on the Public Education Ping List.

[Amelia]

Also...If you see an education article please notify me, since I have not been included on the Public Education Ping List.

You were told you would be taken off if you persisted in filling every thread with insults and cut-and-paste spam. You could not desist, and so you were removed.

[Amelia]

Sorry, forgot to ping y’all to #7.

[wintertime]

“The All Opinions Welcome Government Education Ping List”

So...that others will not feel a need to be so careful about their opinions. I welcome **all** opinions provided they conform to Free Republic posting rules.

Also, I do not want others to miss an important education story merely because I start the thread. Once I post, others are not permitted to repost it.

[Amelia]

I surely wouldn’t wish to bother you, but I do **not** want you to miss these stories, either. Those managing the Public Education Ping list might fail to notify you due to my being the author of the thread.

By the way, most people who post threads they think might be of interest to the Public Education List ping one or more of us who run the list so that we are sure to see it - otherwise we might miss it, since we're not here 24/7 and we don't see every thread.

[Gabz]

“The All Opinions Welcome Government Education Ping List”

You mean "the all bashing all the time public school ping list" Don't you?

You NEVER welcome ANY opinion in regard to education unless it is EXACTLY what you and your sycophants espouse.

Nice try.

[SoftballMominVA]

““The All Opinions Welcome Government Education Ping List” You mean "the all bashing all the time public school ping list" Don't you? You NEVER welcome ANY opinion in regard to education unless it is EXACTLY what you and your sycophants espouse.

The current public education list is for INTELLECTUAL discussion of educational issues from k - 12, college, charters, and private. If any of the other pingers would like to change the direction from intellectual to bashing, please let me know and I will happily withdraw as a pinger. If any member wishes to be taken off the list because these are not the types of articles they wish to see, please contact one of us four.

The original discussion was that there were 3 lists which do a very good job of covering the negatives of public schools and it was requested by a majority of members of the ping list to take the list into a different direction - one where policy, techniques, philosophy, and goals were discussed in a mature manner with limited name calling. This resulted in some members leaving, but many more joining.

Because of this intention we do intentionally steer away from articles that are inflammatory in nature or are already in that position, and we do delete people who are continually inflammatory. It is distasteful to have any education thread placed in the Smokey Backroom. It does not serve anyone well to bash when we are looking to gain knowledge and insight, not debating points and not to push a specific agenda.

No one in FR 'owns' a thread or an article or a piece of information. In essence we are all guests in Jim Robinson's very large living room. I think he would appreciate if we kept the carpet clean from mud

[Eaker]

Once I post, others are not permitted to repost it.

Silly rascal, you don't own FR.

You are merely a poster here and the owners make the rules.

Perhaps you should go to your corner and think about it.

[bannie]

Sounds good to me. I’m interested in what’s going on with education all over the place. I’m always happy to learn new stuff, and I think this is a great way of doing that!

I’d like to be ON the conversational, “intellectual” list and OFF of the “my-way-or-the-highway” list...if I may, please.

[SoftballMominVA]

You have always been on the intellectual list my friend. Your insight adds much to every thread in which you choose to participate.

Fregards

[bannie]

Thanks, SBMom.

SMOOCH!

[shag377]

Again, being the disruptive that I am, I am going back to the original thread (shocking, eh?)

I am a fan of charter schools, I think they are marvelous. But until the 14 year olds stop having babies, and, this comes from first hand knowledge, spend less money on their nails for prom and more time with their children, public schools will continue to hurt.

I want anyone, and I mean anyone, to help me get a child with an IQ of 85, single parent home, and reading on a 3rd grade level in high school to graduate high school and enter college.

Perhaps those of you on the Omniscient Gov’t School list can help me, but I don’t see how you can make 85 cents a full dollar. (I would hope that the metaphor goes without explanation.)

[Amelia]

I actually went to the link and read the original article. I'm not sure if it was a blog or an editorial, but there were several comments saying that the data the editorial used was flawed, and offering alternative points of view - for instance, that the original failing school had over 1000 students and was overcrowded, while the successful charter in the same location had only 300 students.

I haven't looked at it again today, but there was an interesting discussion from both sides at the Greenville News site yesterday.

[SoftballMominVA]

As far as charter schools go, the jury is still out on them. Yes, there are some charter schools that do a good job, and I am thinking specifically of the KIPP schools. But, look at what the KIPP schools demand of students and families. They are in school from 8-5; they have required after school tutoring; they have required 1-2 hours of homework every night. Teachers are expected to be on call with a KIPP supplied cell phone until 10 o'clock to answer questions or just to talk. There is school on Saturday, there is school during the summer. Each school takes a long reward trip with the teachers and students. In essence, these schools are successful because they separate the child from the family and the culture.

I don't know if you've done any research on KIPP schools, but they are masters at controlling their own PR and data. Any school that does not meet their standards must drop their affiliation the second time scores are low. Any student who is disruptive or who fails to succeed is dropped from the school, as are their scores. Want proof? Every year one or two KIPP schools are disassociated with the organization. Their success rates include only students who have completed the program and 'graduated'

Personally, what I think KIPP does is take the kids that were borderline to begin with, who had a normal intelligence but who were steeped in street and pulled them out of the streets. That's why we don't see KIPP in the suburbs. KIPP cannot help the kids that have a low IQ to succeed in higher math, higher sciences, and college level material. If you discover this trick, please let me know.

Charter schools can be and are crafted around as many ideas as there are founders. Some of these ideas are pretty wacky, some are pretty valid. But there are still public schools and they still use public tax dollars to work. The good ones are in essence no different from good public schools. Teachers come in ready to teach, students come in ready to learn. That's a good school right there be t public, private, home schooled, charter, or a bunch of kids sitting under a tent in Africa with a missionary.

Good schools look the same, bad schools are bad for as many reasons as there are stars in the sky.

[shag377]

I sit corrected. Amazing what you can find when you do some research. I should have known better.