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1 posted on 06/21/2008 7:07:46 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Amazing insights in the article.

I find it typical that the Times had no compunction regarding revealing the interrogator’s name - but howled mercilessly when Ms. Plame was outed.

Anyone who believes the Press is fair lives in fairy tales.


2 posted on 06/21/2008 7:18:36 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: Jet Jaguar

OK. We need to know if the “extraction team” had a search warrant signed by a judge. We need to know if KSM was read his Miranda rights by the team. If not, the case should be dismissed and KSM should be permitted to return to his previous endeavors.


3 posted on 06/21/2008 7:19:19 PM PDT by Ax (its effects were so well-rooted that the next day he saluted a good humor man, an usher and a nun)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The slimeball killed Daniel Pearl


5 posted on 06/21/2008 7:27:13 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“came in after the rough stuff...” So, I am to infer that the “rough stuff” does work when used in combination with the “smooth stuff.”


6 posted on 06/21/2008 7:27:50 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Jet Jaguar

Great find! Great Post! Thanks!


7 posted on 06/21/2008 7:30:41 PM PDT by The_Republican (Conservatives are in trouble because they hate Scarlett Johanson.)
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To: All; Jet Jaguar; The_Republican

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(The Story)
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8 posted on 06/21/2008 7:35:42 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I wonder who’s protecting “Duece Martinez” and why is his name printed in this article? Inquiring minds hope the answers come forth soon.


9 posted on 06/21/2008 7:40:23 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jet Jaguar
I just sent them a Letter to the Editor:

It's amazing that in the "Inside a 0/11 Matermind's Interrogation" article of June 22, the IHT suffers no apparent qualms of conscience about indentifying the CIA interrogator as "Duece Martinez." Is this the same IHT that complained loudly that Valerie Plame's life was put in danger when Richard Armitage let out the fact that she worked for the CIA?

12 posted on 06/21/2008 7:47:24 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Cool article. Waterboarding works!! Reminds me of the time I listened to an Israeli former counterterrorism officer speak at my university and he told us about the interrogation of a senior Hamas member. If my memory serves, supposedly the story goes like this:

At first all the Hamas guy would say was his name, but then they brought in this guy under a code name who was an expert interrogator fluent in Arabic and knew as much about Islam to qualify himself as an imam, but he was not a Muslim of course.

So he comes to the Hamas guy and to get him to at least say something other than his name, he says, “OK, before we begin, let’s talk about what’s in the Koran.” So Hamas guy says “What do you know about that? I’m a scholar, I have it memorized!” So the interrogator says, “OK then, in which verse in such-and-such surah [I forget which one] is the letter meem [Arabic M] not present in any of the words?” Hamas dude is stumped...he has no idea. So the interrogator says “It was verse 128.” And they continue talking about this stuff and challenging each other to recite the Koran from memory.

Then one day this particular interrogator leaves, and another one comes in instead (I think this was planned). Hamas dude says “Hey, where’d the other guy go?” The interrogator tells him he had other things to do and won’t be coming back. Hamas dude is somewhat disappointed, because he liked being able to discuss the sort of things he was doing with the first guy. So he says to his new interrogator, “If you agree to bring the first guy back, I’ll tell you the names of all my recruits.” The second guy agrees. So Hamas dude spills the names of 500 men. The first interrogator never returned and the IDF now had the names of 500 wanted Hamas personalities. Hamas dude was furious.

That’s how this IDF guy told it, anyway.


16 posted on 06/21/2008 7:59:40 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: Jet Jaguar
Fascinating, compelling, spellbinding, cliffhanging...

TREASONOUS

17 posted on 06/21/2008 8:03:57 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Not sure how much of this story I buy. For one thing, KSM is known not to be particularly religious which was dwelled upon in the Yosri Fouda book. In there, it’s bin al Shibh who is constantly instructing KSM in basic Islamic behavior. There are a few other things in this article that don’t exactly jibe with other sources. Some of the stuff about Zubaydah. The other thing is the reference to how few Arabic speaking interrogators we have. There were plenty of Arabic speakers in the agency in 2003 and there was only one KSM to interrogate.


18 posted on 06/21/2008 9:11:54 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Jet Jaguar
Mohammed met his captors at first with cocky defiance, telling one veteran CIA officer, a former Pakistan station chief, that he would talk only when he got to New York and was assigned a lawyer — the experience of his nephew and partner in terrorism, Ramzi Yousef, after Yousef's arrest in 1995.

and there it is... the author of Borat Obamas terrorist policy.

19 posted on 06/21/2008 9:43:42 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/SHOGGOTH '08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“”Poland is the 51st state,” one former CIA official recalls James Pavitt, then director of the agency’s clandestine service, declaring. “Americans have no idea.””

This is an interesting comment. Can anyone intelligently elaborate?


20 posted on 06/21/2008 10:36:41 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Jet Jaguar

” in 2002 by an agency NEARLY DEVOID of expertise in detention and interrogation.”

What? It’s well known that the CIA had been in very bad shape in the wake of the Church Committee hearings (1970’s) but this is amazing!


25 posted on 06/22/2008 1:39:24 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Jet Jaguar
This man's name, and the fact that he has a family, should NEVER have been made public.

How many other interrogators are now afraid for themselves and their families because they may now be “outed” by the drive-by media?

These men do critical vital work of the most sensitive nature. Because of this article, you can bet that Mr. Martinez now has a price on his head. Does this bother the drive-bys? I doubt it. Will their conscience sting if he or a member of his family is harmed by terrorists? I doubt it.

The article would not have suffered if they had used an alias and changed some small but critical details. Instead, the media behaves like it is accustomed: as help-mates to the enemies of our country.

26 posted on 06/22/2008 2:08:41 PM PDT by mojito
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