A McCain flip-flop on immigration?

Baltimore Sun ^ | June 20th | Rick Pearson

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

In the meeting, attendees said McCain promised that, if elected, Congress would pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill.

[E. Cartman]

The powers that be do not want us united. Divide and conquer, it’s the oldest tactic in the book. Keep us at each other’s throats while they slit all of ours. We’re all peasants now.

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When Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must from time to time be manured with the blood of tyrants, I thought he was being needlessly dramatic. Now I realize that he was right.

[Ben Ficklin]

"Sensenbrenner was able to squash it"

No, Hastert honored the Hastert Pledge. Had he not, as Tancredo pointed out at the time, the legislation would have passed the House.

[Brilliant]

With McCain in the WH, he won’t be in the Senate. That’s worth one vote right there. No GOPer is going to vote for this because McCain tells him to. Either they are or they aren’t. I think that the Dems would practically be unanimous on it, though, if Obama told them to vote for it. And he’s got the majority—enough to push it thru.

[AuntB]

You both make some very good points. Thanks.

[kabar]

It was squashed on a technicality. The Senate bill contained appropriation language that had to be deleted in order for the House to consider it. The bill was sent back to the Senate for them amend the legislation. Sensenbrenner was the driving force behind it as committe chairman. I doubt the bill would have passed the Rep controlled House.

[HABIFF33]

I’m beginning to wonder if that has been the Presidents plan all of this time. Maybe he knows that the only way to save this country is for another Revolution and get rid of all of the slime inside this great country.

[AuntB]

“When Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must from time to time be manured with the blood of tyrants, I thought he was being needlessly dramatic. Now I realize that he was right. “

It boggles the mind to understand what they were right about. Jefferson knew the question of slavery, states rights, etc was not going away and it would come back to bite us and they couldn’t address it all in the founding. His words really are just as correct today, though dramatic, yes, wonderfully dramatic. We ignore this immigration/invasion at our peril....

In a prophetic letter decades earlier , President Thomas Jefferson expressed the fears of many of his contemporaries over conflicts of states’ rights, westward settlement, federalism and slavery.

“This momentous question,
like a fire bell in the night,
awakened and filled one with terror,
I considered it at once as the knell of the Union.
It is hushed indeed for the moment.
but this is a reprieve only,
not a final sentence . . .
we have the wolf by the ears
and we can neither hold him
nor safely let him go.”

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

^^^^^^^^^^For the security of this country I have to vote for McCain.^^^^^^^^^^

I’m sorry, say that again? What?

For the amnesty of this country you have to vote for McCain?

[upsdriver]

Most anyone in the party looks better than McCain. Ron Paul may be less crazy than McCain, although I doubt I could vote for either of them.

[kabar]

In the Senate 2006 bill that passed 62-36, 23 Reps voted for it. They included Bennett, Brownback, Coleman, Collins, Graham, Lugar, Martinez, McConnell, Murkowski, Smith, Snowe, Specter, Stevens, and Voinovich. And the 2006 elections removed Allen, Burns, and Talent who voted against it. The Senate is a lost cause.

Again, the battle will be fought in the House. It will be easier to fight with Obama in the WH. Believe it or not.

[Brilliant]

If you think it will be easier to fight with Obama, then you’re basically saying the House is a lost cause as well.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

Do you know why McCain is the GOP candidate?

Yes, I do. Puff Piece Liberal media coverage.

[kabar]

LOL. Now that’s what I consider be too clever by half. We have to destroy the country in order to save it.

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

^^^^^^^^^^We have to destroy the country in order to save it.^^^^^^^^

Hiroshima.

Nagasaki.

[kabar]

No, the House has some conservative dems, blue dogs, who will hold the key to the outcome. The House has been more conservative on this issue. In Dec 2005, when HR 4437 [enforcement only] passed, there were 36 Dems who voted with the Reps.

[upsdriver]

I attended a CATO meeting on Wednesday that had an open borders type, Jason Riley of the WSJ, promoting his new book, "Let them in." Michael Barone spoke as well. His remarks were disappointing. He was saying that the anti-immigrant Reps would have to adapt or die as a party.

Is that the way Barone stated it,"anti-immigrant"? If so, why can't these people get it right? We are not anti-immigrant, only anti-illegal alien. We are against amnesty, rewarding law breakers. These people like Michael Barone make their living with words. They are over paid.

[AuntB]

“The Senate is a lost cause.

Again, the battle will be fought in the House. It will be easier to fight with Obama in the WH. Believe it or not. “

I believe you’re right. Add the House of Reps to that. We’re loosing too many good ones.

[Ben Ficklin]

You are correct about the technicality part/appropriation part. But the underlying force was Hastert's Pledge not to let any immigration legislation onto the floor unless the Republican Caucus voted to do so. Tancredo had enough votes in the Republican Caucus to stop it. After that, the technicality was invented.

And yes Virginia, there were enough votes on the House floor to pass CIRA.

[kabar]

Agreed. They represent the conventional wisdom. The problem is that this is not a partisan issue. It involves the survival of this country and our values. How can you compromise those?

[E. Cartman]

My fear is the day we’ll see the real John McCain. It’s only a matter of time.

But at least the GOP and the MacCainiacs can go peacefully to their graves happy in the knowledge that it was one of their own who helped usher in the new world order and with it (inevitably) socialism.