A matter of life: In almost every way, McCain, Obama on opposite sides of America's abortion divide

WORLD ^ | June 28, 2008 | Jamie Dean

[massgopguy]

Obama=Infanticide

[Caleb1411]

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[Caleb1411]

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[HappyinAZ]

This is just such an important issue to most of us....it’s one of the reasons that we need to vote MCCain.

I sure know mcCain’s not perfect but Obama has no morals at all.
Dispicable human being

[Jane Austen]

McCain has been on both sides of the abortion issue. He will say whatever he figures to get votes. One exception: amnesty and illegal aliens. Those he loves.

What McCain will do if he becomes president is another matter. Who can trust anything he says? Some people feel it does not matter since he will lose in Nov.

[Caleb1411]

Check out his voting record, 115 of 119 pro-life Senate votes, according to hysterical NARAL and other pro-choice organizations who are manning (-er, womaning) the ramparts to fight him tooth and nail.

[Jane Austen]

He switches positions all time from breaking his marriage vows to declaring himself a conservative. He flip flops and lies too much to be trusted. Amnesty is the one consistent position.

[Caleb1411]

On this issue, anyway, I'll take a decades-long record of 115 of 119 pro-life votes against Obama's sworn vows to undo every pro-life statute -- partial-birth abortion on down -- he can.

[rhema]

On this issue, anyway, I'll take a decades-long record of 115 of 119 pro-life votes against Obama's sworn vows to undo every pro-life statute -- partial-birth abortion on down -- he can.

Still aren't seeing the light, are you? It's those 4 votes, as some FReepers have repeatedly pointed out out to you, that disqualify McCain as a pro-lifer. A .997 batting average just doesn't cut it in their league.

[Caleb1411]

McCain’s actually batting .966, even worse in the FR all-or-nothing league.

[MHGinTN]

He (Obama) voted "present" three times on bills aimed at protecting infants who survive abortions. Perhaps the empty suit is taking advice from the Barbarian Boxer who stated on the Senate floor ,in effect, that a child is not 'viable' (allowed by the mother to live) until she takes that thing home.

[Caleb1411]

From a Human Events article in 2006: Jill Stanek, a registered delivery-ward nurse who was the prime mover behind the legislation after she witnessed aborted babies’ being born alive and left to die, testified twice before Obama in support of the Induced Infant Liability Act bills. She also testified before the U.S. Congress in support of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

Stanek told me her testimony “did not faze” Obama.

In the second hearing, Stanek said, “I brought pictures in and presented them to the committee of very premature babies from my neonatal resuscitation book from the American Pediatric Association, trying to show them unwanted babies were being cast aside. Babies the same age were being treated if they were wanted!”

“And those pictures didn’t faze him [Obama] at all,” she said.

At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being “very clear and forthright,” but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested “doctors really don’t care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch an infant that is viable die.” He told her, “That may be your assessment, and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.”

And we're supposed to believe there's insufficient evidence to favor McCain over Obama on this issue?

[DoughtyOne]

John McCain's Whimsical World of Conservatism
Food for thought for the Hillary Clinton Wing of the GOP

1982/00/00 McCain enters Congress, with his family accepts first of nine trips some aboard Keating's leer jet, three of which include stayovers at Keating's Caribbean resort (goes unreported for up to 7 years)
1983/09/28 McCain joins 26 other Republicans to vote with the Majority Party Congressional Democrats to demand U.S. Troops exit Lebanon, winds up on the losing side
1986/04/00 Cindy McCain and her father invest $359,100 in a Charles Keating strip mall
1987/00/00 McCain has received $112,000 by this time for Congressional and Senate campaigns, from Charles Keating, his relatives, and his employees, the largest amount to any Keating 5 member
1987/04/02 McCain joins four Democrats to intercede on behalf of his S&L Owner friend Keating with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board and also banking regulators (2 meetings)
1988/02/11 McCain votes to affirm Anthony Kennedy as a justice for the SCOTUS
1989/00/00 McCain discloses Keating trips as his involvement in the S&L scandal breaks, reimbursing $13,433.00 with no repercussions as late as seven years after the fact
1990/10/02 McCain votes to Confirm Justice David H. Souter from New Hampshire to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS Court
1993/10/10 McCain co-sponsors an unsuccessful bill to cut off funding of United States troops in Somalia
1993/08/10 McCain joins the Democrats and most Republicans voting to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the worst justice on the court today.  Three Republicans vote Nay.
1993/01/13 McCain and Kerry release the Select Committee report urging the MIA issue be put to rest so that Vietnam could be granted normalized relations with the U.S., over objections by MIA family and veterans groups.  Video1  Video2  ( I do not endorse all of the information presented in video1 here.  The video does touch on a number of topics, and I think most are germane )  If I could have found video that contained most of this information without touching on McCain's POW experience I would have posted it instead.  Still, there are parts of McCain's POW experience that are troubling.  I'd just rather not go there.  Video2 shows how one MIA family rep is treated, confirming some of the reports in Video1.
1994/07/24 McCain joins with the Democrats to confirm nominee Stephen Breyer to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS.  Nine Senators voted Nay...
1997/00/00 McCain leads the opposition to the Coats Amendment, preventing government funded fetal tissue research ( derived from "a legal act" [abortion] )  Amendment defeated!
1999/08/19 McCain stated, ""Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade,"
2000/00/00 McCain joins Democrat Russ Feingold to introduce Campaign Finance Reform, an effort funded by George Soros  Article
2000/00/00 McCain was the keynote speaker at the ultra-liberal Philadelphia convention sponsored by George Soros while John F. Kerry keynoted at another Soros event on the same day...
2000/11/20 McCain participates in the production of a gun control spot for Oregon's Proposition Five.  (Circa this date, prior to the November election.)  Article
2001/00/00 McCain founded the Reform Institute funded by George Soros
2001/05/15 McCain introduces the Gun Show Loophole bill S890, with Carper, Lieberman, DeWine, Clinton, and Schumer co/sponsoring. Analysis
2003/03/19 McCain joins Democrats to vote against drilling in ANWR
2003/10/30 McCain joins Lieberman again, this time to introduce the Climate Stewardship Act (Gorebal worming et al)  Thomas  Bill S139
2004/06/04 McCain signs letter with 58 Senators, "We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research."
2004/08/05 McCain announces he deplores the Swift Boat adds against Senator John Kerry, and asks the White House to refute them
2005/00/00 McCain resigns from the Reform Institute he founded with George Soros
2005/01/28 McCain declares, "I want us in the ICC (International Criminal Court)", but I would like to see more safeguards first
2005/05/12 McCain joins Ted Kennedy to introduce McCain/Kennedy immigration legislation that would wind up making illegal immigrants citizens
2006/09/06 McCain joins Dole to write op-ed for the Washington Post, states in part, "We should publicly remind Khartoum that the International Criminal Court has jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes..."
2007/02/17 McCain states he will close Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainment center on his first day in office  Video  (same as date link on the left)
2007/03/22 McCain gets the pledged support of Chuck and Sue Cobb, Jeb Bush's Florida Director of the Free Trade of the Americas Agreement effort
2007/06/00 McCain joins Baldwin, Shays and Meehan to file an amicus brief against the Wisconsin Right to Life organization  brief  The wrong side of a pro-life issue, helping pro-abort Feingold
2007/06/18 McCains Gitmo problem, close the base, grant Geneva Convention status, stop water boarding...
2008/03/00 McCain makes his first attempt to tell a state (North Carolina) Republican Party what to do.  The RNC joins him.
2008/03/24 McCain hires Meg Whiteman to cochair his Presidential campaign.  Whiteman is another wishy washy at best Independent, who has donated to leftist candidates and still doesn't have a clue what side to come down on with regard to illegal immigration.  She is leaning toward running for Governor in California and being courted by it's Republican leadership.  Links to CalCowGirl's comments regardint Whiteman's donations.  Article above.
2008/03/26 McCains speech to the World Affairs Council, Europe may get veto power over some of our foreign policy...
2008/05/09 McCains interview with O'Reilly... I won't drill in ANWR... it's pretty... I'm an environmentalist.  (note: there's a good chance he may have an environMental disorder)
2008/05/12 McCain Joins the Goreball Worming Cult, sounding more like Al Gore every day...  McCain's Oregon add Video
2008/05/13 McCain takes an Environmental walk, with the leader of the Cascade Land Conservancy... (another series of fruit loop moments)
2008/05/15 McCain states he will appoint Democrats to his administration, during a Republican teleconference and during a Columbus stump speech
2008/05/27 McCain announces support for severe cutbacks on our nuclear weapons, withdrawing battlefield nukes from Europe and giving our nuclear waste to an international body
2008/06/14 McCain tells Clinton supporters they should back him because he voted for Ginsberg and Breyer  Said this to Conservatives on 2008/05/07

[MHGinTN]

Now that you’ve revealed your anti-McCain agenda, why not explain it further?... On a pro-life thread. Do you think Romney would be more pro-life than John McCain? The Mittster is not the nominee running against Obama. Do you see some way to get Ron Paul into the nominee seat and remove McCain? Sorry, that won’t happen either. Do you actually entertain as possible that Bob ‘I worked for the ACLU’ Barr could become president rather than get Obama elected? Do you think American conservatives need the Libertarian punishment, to herd us into line? [You have a posting history one may consult, BTW.]

[DoughtyOne]

I have stated quite clearly that I think installing a leftist like McCain as the titular leader of the Conservative movement would be suicidal. I hope this saves you the time of having to research my thoughts on McCain.

McCain is not pristine on the Right to Life movement. He even intercedes on behalf of Congressmen that are consumate abortion supporters against organizations trying to end abortions in this nation.

So while John votes one way, he joins Demcrats to sign letters, files amicus briefs, and whatever else moves him at any given moment to defeat right to life.

Is he better than Obama on the subject? Sure. Is he worth voting for? No.

No federal government entity will be pushing Conservative agenda under McCain. Instead the Republican Party will spend it’s time backing his plays, giving him all their votes to pass many of the same things Obama would.

This man has soiled himself on every issue.

[MHGinTN]

Saved me?... Don’t vote for McCain and help elect the socialist empty suit, Barry Obama. Your ilk saves no one and yet you hold yourself in such high regard. The facyt that McCain can change his positions and is showing some signs of that makes zero impression on the self-righteous such as yourself. Got a perfect candidate to beat Obama? ... I didn’t think so. Marginalize yourself some more for us ... it is instructive.

[MrB]

Here it is:

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/notansweringboxersantorum.html

[MrB]

Wow, what a barbaric A-Hole!

The baby is OUT, lying there on the table, and saving its life is

“creat[ing] one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that”

[MHGinTN]

Thank you so much! I had lost that link when I changed laptops. How revealing that exchange is, eh? And she claims to be a ‘fiathful’ Catholic. She’s an embarrassment to my ‘true Catholic’ friends.