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On Terrorism, Obama Is Living History. Barack Obama is the herald of the September 10 Democrats
NRO ^ | June 20, 2008 | Editors

Posted on 06/20/2008 9:04:27 AM PDT by Tolik

On Monday, Obama off-handedly reiterated his fondness for 1990s-style treatment of Islamic terrorists as if they were mere criminals to be managed by prosecution in the civilian criminal-justice system. By now, that should come as no surprise. Pressed on the subject again Wednesday, Obama insisted, “I have confidence that our system of justice is strong enough to deal with terrorists.” Top Obama backer Bill Richardson, a member of the Clinton Cabinet that delegated national defense to our system of justice while radical Islam killed Americans in New York City, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Tanzania, and Yemen, told CNN on Wednesday that he “totally” rejected the Bush administration policy of branding jihadists as enemy combatants because doing so is somehow tantamount to “abridging our own freedoms.”

Appropriately, John McCain has slammed Obama and his fellow wishful thinkers as naïve and beholden to a “September 10th” mindset — the mindset that gave us the mass murder of nearly 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.

The occasion for this latest dust-up was the Supreme Court’s ruling last week in Boumediene v. Bush vesting alien enemy combatants detained by our military with a constitutional right to habeas corpus — that is, to review by the civilian courts of the military’s determination that they are enemy combatants. In addition to raising the possibility that jihadists who pose a lethal threat to Americans will be released, Boumediene portends litigation chaos: The justices have dumped potentially hundreds of detainee cases on the federal district courts with no guidance about the rules and procedures that should govern those proceedings.

Naturally, this prospect has prompted intense debate. McCain called the decision one of the worst in American history. Obama, by contrast, is glowing in his praise and yearns for a return to the model of our treatment of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, when, he points out, suspects were apprehended and successfully prosecuted in the civilian courts.

Leaving aside that Obama here is once again not in command of the facts (not all of those responsible for the 1993 bombing were apprehended), the criminal-prosecution approach left America vulnerable. (For a powerful account of why, see our colleague Andy McCarthy’s book, Willful Blindness.) The civilian-justice system is incapable of apprehending and neutralizing more than a fraction of the Islamic radicals who target our country. That’s not deduction — it’s empirical fact: Major terrorists such as Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were under indictment for over a decade even as they continued to plot and execute attacks, including 9/11, with the authorities impotent to stop them.

Because of our system’s prohibitive due-process demands — demands that are reasonable for Americans accused of crimes but out of place when the “defendants” are foreign combatants — less than three dozen terrorists could be prosecuted in the eight years between the WTC bombing and the destruction of the Twin Towers. That’s fewer enemy operatives than our military often kills or captures in a single day in Afghanistan and Iraq. The trials of the Nineties, moreover, were a treasure trove for al-Qaeda, providing it with generous discovery of our national-defense secrets as well as insight into our methods and sources for obtaining them.

Worst of all, the September 10 approach was provocatively weak. It told an enemy, so committed to killing Americans that its operatives were willing to sacrifice themselves in the effort, that the world’s only superpower would respond to atrocities with subpoenas and indictments. Without the prospect of a vigorous response to acts of war, the enemy continued to attack. The result was 9/11.

McCain has learned these lessons and maintains that we must stay on offense in the war against radical Islam. That means a real war footing: military and covert operations, aggressive collection of intelligence, and Treasury tracking of terrorism finances. The justice system has a role, but it’s a subordinate one: Instead of prosecutions after Americans have been killed, it now pursues the lower-profile but more effective task of breaking up terror cells before they can attack. Although the U.S. could be hit again at any time, it says something about the success of this approach that seven years after 9/11 we have not suffered another attack on our soil.

This aggressive post-9/11 approach is what an Obama spokeswoman has called “stupid.” The candidate himself says he’s not going be “lectured” on national security by the people responsible for the Iraq war. But he might benefit from some time listening to and learning from McCain on Iraq, since McCain advocated the surge that has beaten back al-Qaeda in Iraq while Obama wanted to pull combat troops out in what would have amounted to a surrender. This is a debate McCain should welcome, and win.
 


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2008; barackobama; billrichardson; democrats; electionpresident; elections; mohammedanism; nobama08; obama; terrorism; waronterror; wot

1 posted on 06/20/2008 9:04:27 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Lando Lincoln; neverdem; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; dennisw; ...
NRO Eidotrs:

...Leaving aside that Obama here is once again not in command of the facts (not all of those responsible for the 1993 bombing were apprehended), the criminal-prosecution approach left America vulnerable. (For a powerful account of why, see our colleague Andy McCarthy’s book, Willful Blindness.) The civilian-justice system is incapable of apprehending and neutralizing more than a fraction of the Islamic radicals who target our country. That’s not deduction — it’s empirical fact: Major terrorists such as Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were under indictment for over a decade even as they continued to plot and execute attacks, including 9/11, with the authorities impotent to stop them.

Because of our system’s prohibitive due-process demands — demands that are reasonable for Americans accused of crimes but out of place when the “defendants” are foreign combatants — less than three dozen terrorists could be prosecuted in the eight years between the WTC bombing and the destruction of the Twin Towers. That’s fewer enemy operatives than our military often kills or captures in a single day in Afghanistan and Iraq. The trials of the Nineties, moreover, were a treasure trove for al-Qaeda, providing it with generous discovery of our national-defense secrets as well as insight into our methods and sources for obtaining them.

Worst of all, the September 10 approach was provocatively weak. It told an enemy, so committed to killing Americans that its operatives were willing to sacrifice themselves in the effort, that the world’s only superpower would respond to atrocities with subpoenas and indictments. Without the prospect of a vigorous response to acts of war, the enemy continued to attack. The result was 9/11.

McCain has learned these lessons and maintains that we must stay on offense in the war against radical Islam. That means a real war footing: military and covert operations, aggressive collection of intelligence, and Treasury tracking of terrorism finances. The justice system has a role, but it’s a subordinate one: Instead of prosecutions after Americans have been killed, it now pursues the lower-profile but more effective task of breaking up terror cells before they can attack. Although the U.S. could be hit again at any time, it says something about the success of this approach that seven years after 9/11 we have not suffered another attack on our soil.

This aggressive post-9/11 approach is what an Obama spokeswoman has called “stupid.”
The candidate himself says he’s not going be “lectured” on national security by the people responsible for the Iraq war. But he might benefit from some time listening to and learning from McCain on Iraq, since McCain advocated the surge that has beaten back al-Qaeda in Iraq while Obama wanted to pull combat troops out in what would have amounted to a surrender. This is a debate McCain should welcome, and win.
 


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2 posted on 06/20/2008 9:05:35 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

4. During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya an d Tanzania were bombed by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim male extremists between the of 17 and 40.

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by— you guessed it— Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

No, I really don’t see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to
profile certain people...
Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President’s security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss,
but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

According to The Book of Revelations:

The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in
power, he will destroy everything.

And Now:
For the award winning
Act of Stupidity
Of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position on the face of the Planet —
The Presidency of the United states of America

A Muslim
Male
Extremist
Between
the ages
of 17 and 40.

Have the American People completely lost their Minds, or just their Power of Reason ???


3 posted on 06/20/2008 9:07:18 AM PDT by IrishMike (I am not a Republican first. I am a conservative.)
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To: IrishMike

Well, that’s an interesting post, BUT . . .

. . . the book of Revelation does NOT say that. Just doesn’t.


4 posted on 06/20/2008 9:13:04 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: IrishMike

Obama is 46 years old...


5 posted on 06/20/2008 9:14:03 AM PDT by astounded (The Democrat Party is a Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
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To: Tolik

Is anyone surprised that a lawyer would take a lawyerly approach to terrorism?

We obviously need a warrior in the White House, not a wimmp, not a wuss, and ESPECIALLY not a muslim!


6 posted on 06/20/2008 9:16:07 AM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: IrishMike
The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent,

The Book of Revelations does not say this... anyway the Obamarxist is too dang stupid to be the Anti-Christ.

7 posted on 06/20/2008 9:19:44 AM PDT by A message
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To: IrishMike

Not sure most of them HAVE minds.


8 posted on 06/20/2008 9:22:57 AM PDT by Danae (Remember: Obama = Pull out from Iraq. PLAN on voting, or accept responsibility for the consequences.)
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To: Danae
Not sure most of them HAVE minds.

No, I think they have minds they just have no need of them. Liberals are driven by emotion, they learned everything they need to know in kindergarten, they are impervious to facts, impervious to reason, and if you don't stop being mean you are going to make them cry.

9 posted on 06/20/2008 9:48:11 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: IrishMike
(Tin foil hat on...)

Hussein Obama is an islamic radical terrorist mole. Just look at his associations: Terrorists and dictators.

10 posted on 06/20/2008 10:01:44 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Redbob
I don't support all that talks about Obama being a Muslim. Even if he was maybe, kind of a Muslim at the time he lived in Indonesia, that was when he was a boy not making choices for himself. His all adult life - he was not a muslim. His muslim-ness is totally irrelevant to me. Stressing it out is counterproductive and allows our Lefty opponents to dismiss ALL our opposition as paranoia.

What IS important is everything else you mentioned, plus his adult associations with hateful messages of Wright, his choice of advisers during his campaign, his hard left positions on, well, everything.

11 posted on 06/20/2008 10:28:49 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

12 posted on 06/20/2008 2:11:38 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Tolik
Thank you the ping, Tolik!

From article: "Wednesday that he “totally” rejected the Bush administration policy of branding jihadists as enemy combatants because doing so is somehow tantamount to “abridging our own freedoms.”

This is so backwards, where to start. In interpersonal dynamics, the day to day interactions between everyday people, when one fails to recognize that another person is attempting to get under one's skin, and to take pre-emptive action, one then erects a bombfire to one's own effigy. That is to say, one, in rejecting fact, that one has been attacked, has been repeatedly attacked, and instead goes into sleepwalk mode, one invites calamity; a coalescing of separate but emerging "coincidences".

Those who attacked America on 911 are enemy combatants. And refusal to address that very fact, denies reality and every law of science and matter. This then bleeds into the psychosocial realm, and the every day people become desparate and act as dogs fighting to the death over a bone.

And the same idiots who refuse to call Jihadists "enemy combatants" are usually the one and the same who think "dog fighting" or "cock fighting" should be illegal.

But these deniers of reality are just fine watching from their safe perches, men, women and children being drawn into a hateful cauldron. And while those vaunted ones make big bucks betting, legislatively, on where to place their own odds on who will win the brawl, they - the vaunted and mighty - have created.

13 posted on 06/20/2008 5:24:41 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Tolik
Thank you the ping, Tolik!

From article: "Wednesday that he “totally” rejected the Bush administration policy of branding jihadists as enemy combatants because doing so is somehow tantamount to “abridging our own freedoms.”

This is so backwards, where to start. In interpersonal dynamics, the day to day interactions between everyday people, when one fails to recognize that another person is attempting to get under one's skin, and to take pre-emptive action, one then erects a bombfire to one's own effigy. That is to say, one, in rejecting fact, that one has been attacked, has been repeatedly attacked, and instead goes into sleepwalk mode, one invites calamity; a coalescing of separate but emerging "coincidences".

Those who attacked America on 911 are enemy combatants. And refusal to address that very fact, denies reality and every law of science and matter. This then bleeds into the psychosocial realm, and the every day people become desparate and act as dogs fighting to the death over a bone.

And the same idiots who refuse to call Jihadists "enemy combatants" are usually the one and the same who think "dog fighting" or "cock fighting" should be illegal.

But these deniers of reality are just fine watching from their safe perches, men, women and children being drawn into a hateful cauldron. And while those vaunted ones make big bucks betting, legislatively, on where to place their own odds on who will win the brawl, they - the vaunted and mighty - have created.

14 posted on 06/20/2008 5:24:52 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Tolik
Thank you the ping, Tolik!

From article: "Wednesday that he “totally” rejected the Bush administration policy of branding jihadists as enemy combatants because doing so is somehow tantamount to “abridging our own freedoms.”

This is so backwards, where to start. In interpersonal dynamics, the day to day interactions between everyday people, when one fails to recognize that another person is attempting to get under one's skin, and to take pre-emptive action, one then erects a bombfire to one's own effigy. That is to say, one, in rejecting fact, that one has been attacked, has been repeatedly attacked, and instead goes into sleepwalk mode, one invites calamity; a coalescing of separate but emerging "coincidences".

Those who attacked America on 911 are enemy combatants. And refusal to address that very fact, denies reality and every law of science and matter. This then bleeds into the psychosocial realm, and the every day people become desparate and act as dogs fighting to the death over a bone.

And the same idiots who refuse to call Jihadists "enemy combatants" are usually the one and the same who think "dog fighting" or "cock fighting" should be illegal.

But these deniers of reality are just fine watching from their safe perches, men, women and children being drawn into a hateful cauldron. And while those vaunted ones make big bucks betting, legislatively, on where to place their own odds on who will win the brawl, they - the vaunted and mighty - have created.

15 posted on 06/20/2008 5:24:55 PM PDT by Alia
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