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Was the Holocaust Inevitable? ( Patrick J. Buchanan )
townhall.com ^ | June 20, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 06/20/2008 8:12:50 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: dirtboy
The historical lesson was there for Hitler.

Exactly. Operation Barbarossa kicked off almost 6 weeks late because Hitler refused to start the invasion while the British were mucking around in Greece. He wanted to remove that "thorn in his side" before going ahead with Barbarossa. Guderian and OKH told him not to worry about it.

The invasion still could have met its time-table, but halfway to Moscow, Army Group center was diverted south to the Ukrain. By the time Army Group Center was back on track and moving on Moscow, it was too late to take Moscow before winter set in.

Commenting on Hitler's interference with the plans for the invasion of Russia, Heinz Guderian said, "I could never have believed that a really brilliant military position could be so screwed up in two months."

In retrospect, perhaps the most important allied effort early in the war was the attempt to help Greece against the Nazi invasion. In purely military terms on the ground, it was a failure. But it delayed Operation Barbarossa for a critical period and may have been the action that won the war. A successful operation Barbarossa may well have knocked Russia out of the war as it was intended to do. At the very least, it would have extended the war for several more years.

81 posted on 06/20/2008 8:54:15 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Jews invented communism? The word communism was coined in 1840 by John Goodwyn Barmby in reference to followers of the French revolution era Grachus Babeuf. Marx himself was the son of converted Jews who was himself quite anti-semitic. And 1920s Berlin was one of the cultural capitals of Europe filled with great writers and musicians.


82 posted on 06/20/2008 8:55:41 AM PDT by Borges
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To: kellynla

Sounds like PJB is blaming Churchill for the Holocaust. He is deranged.


83 posted on 06/20/2008 8:56:20 AM PDT by DFG
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To: Huck; All

“But I wonder what the general reaction would be to an enthusiastic, unabashed call to freepers to expunge Pat Buchanan from conservatism. Thoughts?”

I don’t know; I am composing my emails now.

I ask others to join in.

Pat gives conservatives a bad name, and needs to go away. He does not represent conservatives and should not be used as our voice.

Can I get second? (Or a third, as I think Huck is my second.)


84 posted on 06/20/2008 8:59:57 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: Borges

I have seen claims that World Net Daily is associated with alleged cult leader Roy Masters. I don’t know if that’s true, but WND has never impressed me.


85 posted on 06/20/2008 9:00:09 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust.

That's true, the treatment of Jews wasn't a cause of the war, though in retrospect most American's consider the nature of the Nazi as clear evidence of the evil we were confronting. Discarding it's relevance one must accept several things. That the pre-war treatment of Jews under the Nuremburg laws was just fine. For Jews, no citizenship, removal from jobs, pensions, loss of property. Not much to criticize there Pat, and certainly no hint as to what was to come. The slaughter of political dissidents, that's fine. So much for criticism of Stalin on that score. Can't criticize the gulags if you accept the Nazi camp system. Homosexuals, the retarded, heck, they should die.

Of course underlying Pat's worldview is the fact that Europe, East and West, under the Reich for a millenia would be preferable to a free Western Europe, the East under the Communist heel for 4 decades.

86 posted on 06/20/2008 9:00:20 AM PDT by SJackson (There are 2 races of people in this world, the decent and the indecent,Victor Frankl, George Foreman)
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To: MeanWestTexan; dirtboy
Shabbetai's heirs invented communism as a way to destroy the West. They were the origins of the international banking cabal we face today.

There is a whole book on the topic, To Eliminate the Opiate, by Orthodox Jewish Rabbi and Chief Justice of the Supreme Rabbinical Court of the United States, Marvin S Antelman. I suggest you read it.

87 posted on 06/20/2008 9:00:45 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: agere_contra
Because the Royal Navy sank it in harbour. Seriously, does Pat not know this?

Right. It was in the Med. The Brits controlled the Med.

88 posted on 06/20/2008 9:00:51 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: kellynla

I someone had shot the Kaiser before WWI, Hitler and Stalin may have been irrelevant.


89 posted on 06/20/2008 9:01:50 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Borges
Jews invented communism? The word communism was coined in 1840 by John Goodwyn Barmby in reference to followers of the French revolution era Grachus Babeuf. Marx himself was the son of converted Jews who was himself quite anti-semitic.

Marx was instructed in communism by Reform Rabbi Moses Hess. See post 87.

90 posted on 06/20/2008 9:02:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Shabbetai's heirs invented communism as a way to destroy the West. They were the origins of the international banking cabal we face today.

Jewish banking conspiracies?
91 posted on 06/20/2008 9:03:07 AM PDT by Borges
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To: DesScorp

Woodrow Wilson put two words out and the Nationalists believed him. Those two words are dogging us to this day: self determination.


92 posted on 06/20/2008 9:03:09 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: kellynla

I’ve read Mein Kampf.

He didn’t want to rule the world, he just wanted to rule Europe, and wanted to arrange for Japan to rule Asia and the USA to rule the western hemisphere. England, being isolated by water (he was a hydrophobe), was to be left alone as a self-governing fluke.

He laid out his plans. Yes, the Holocaust was intended. No, he did not want to take over the world, just the whole of Europe.


93 posted on 06/20/2008 9:03:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Borges
Jewish banking conspiracies?

Although the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a proven fraud, the answer is yes. See post 87.

94 posted on 06/20/2008 9:04:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: montag813
The Jews were treated wonderfully right up untuil September 1, 1939, right Pat?

They were treated in a way Pat would consider appropriate for a sovereign power. Strip them of citizenship, employment, and property. Nothing wrong with that is there? As I heard him comment on a radio show, it's bad, the Arabs did it too and no one complained.

95 posted on 06/20/2008 9:04:28 AM PDT by SJackson (If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be, Michelle O)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I just posted a vanity on the subject. Maybe we can at least get a freeper discussion going on it and see what happens.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2033917/posts

Hopefully it doesn’t become a flame war/dustup.


96 posted on 06/20/2008 9:05:00 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If Adolph had passed his college painting class, he would have been a forgotten artist.


97 posted on 06/20/2008 9:05:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: SJackson

Buchanan is a very warped fellow.


98 posted on 06/20/2008 9:05:44 AM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: Carry_Okie
History is more complicated than good guys v. bad guys. People need to understand that Judaism is by no means homogeneous, but deeply divided between Orthodox and the Sabbatean left, inventors of communism in the first place.

Good points. I never understood the Jewish alignment with communism during the 30’s.
99 posted on 06/20/2008 9:06:10 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The Spartakusbund brought crushing strikes and depravity to Berlin, which was rapidly becoming the San Francisco of Germany.

Yeah. Living an hour's drive from the REAL San Francisco, makes me want to overthrow the US government, take over the whole world, and kill all the Jooooooooooos.

Crystal(nacht) clear reasoning there, Carrie

100 posted on 06/20/2008 9:06:21 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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