Was the Holocaust Inevitable? ( Patrick J. Buchanan )

townhall.com ^ | June 20, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[macamadamia]

Frankly, I hope trane250 is banned for good. I don't understand how he made it this far with comments like these:

"...looted by the oligarchs who share, let us say, certain similarities with the founders of the neocon movement."

"“An Eye For an Eye.” This book documents in vivid detail the atrocities committed by Jews against Germans just before and after WW II. Yes, Jews were not just innocent victims."

"Those of you who were sexually mutilated (circumcised) as an infant know what I'm talking about."

"The “American Stinker” is an unabashedly pro-zionist rant machine."

"The real mobsters in and out of Russia are the so-called “oligarchs” whose ideological brethren are the neocons- the same gang that runs the Standard. Can’t you see a pattern here?"

[Zionist Conspirator]

Wow. Good thing we had all those Arabs like Nasser and Arafat fighting Communism with every breath in their bodies, wasn’t it?

[HardStarboard]

>>>I think Pat has gone nuts.<<<<

Pat, for the most part, always has been.

Now, attempting the role of historian, he is clearly over his head.

Unfortunately, for we Conservatives, the MSM passes him off as a Conserative spokesman....not a role a nutty guy over his head should play.

[wardaddy]

au contraire mon ami,
they declared war on Germany two days after Germany invaded Poland.

that is hardly “sitting on their hands”

[wardaddy]

I don’t think he is an anti-semite.

He is an oddball at best on WWII history and admittedly does think the Israel lobby here wields too much power but so did William F Buckley and plenty of others...as well as even some in the far reaches of your denomination even who think Israel shouldn’t even exist yet..

That is not anti-Semitism. He simply doesn’t hold to what has become the conventional wisdom.

History is pretty replete with what is genuine anti-Jewishness.

I don’t agree with him myself on this particular stuff but shouting him down with bigot baiting falls flat for me. Let him defend his odd comments, he’s not exactly calling for pogroms.

[M. Espinola]

Pat, these are the two barbaric war lords responsible for World War Two:

[nkycincinnatikid]

Skeeter, I only know Buchanan like you probably do. Years ago before I threw the tv over the hill I would see him on McGlothlan. He was honestly the only guest that did not cause me to want to wretch.I have read serious history since I was an adolescent, yet I have never thought of reading a book of his. BUT nothing that I read on this post of the content of his book is in any way intellectually or historically indefensible. In over 40 years I have read some books by David Irving. I feel I should have that right. Yet in Britain and Austria, he has been JAILED for looking at history and positing a forbidden opinion. I don’t like that. I think the very idea that 99 percent of this forum wants only to break Pat Buchanans chops stinks of brown shirts. That is the only dog I have in this fight.

[Admin Moderator]

Please do not post from that toxic waste dump.

[Impy]

Men make war not God.

[Peter Libra]

On your defence of Pat Buchanan- only with regard to the reaction of many.

That is the only dog I have in this fight

(1) Churchill,Hitler And The Unecessary War.
Patrick J. Buchanan. Crown Publishers. New York.

(2) Blacklisted By History.(The untold story of Senator Joe McCarthy.
M.Stanton Evans. Crown Forum. New York.

(3)The New Dealers War. FDR and the war within World War II.
Thomas Fleming. Basic Books. New York.

With envy at America and it's First Amendment. My freedom is that a Canadian bookstore will order and get all books so far. The protection of authors however seems to be something we in Canada are now seeing to be lacking. Reference Mark Steyn and "America Alone".

It will take me days to even scratch the surface of Buchanans book. This is a task ahead. The jury rests. (chuckle).

[buck jarret]

Glorifying the Nazis is a crime in Austria. Irving certainly committed that crime. He is a Nazi sympathizer, a delusional narcissist, and a scoundrel. In my opinion Irving hasn’t done nearly as much time as he deserves. In any case, he wasn’t hunted and he could have avoided arrest. But he wanted the publicity.

[annalex]

Say what you will about Pat’s theory, it is more reasonable than the common schoolbook notion that Hitler started WWII out of irrational hatred for the Jews.

[gogogodzilla]

Obviously, you think that... like the Palestinians (vis a vis Israel), the Jews in Germany were actively involved in a shooting war with Germany and targeting Germany women and children.

Or, you believe that the Palestinians, like the Jews in Germany, simply lived peacefully with their neighbors.

Which fantasy is it?

[Past Your Eyes]

"If you believe Lee alone could’ve stopped the Civil War in its tracks..."

Those are not my words. Maybe you should go back and see what I actually said before attributing words and thoughts to me.

[kinghorse]

You are correct. I was sort of referring to the thesis in the book, The Plot Against America and I don’t have any dog in the fight other than to comment. I apologize for the half cocked post.

[kinghorse]

The book The Plot Against America is a novel depicting an alternate history where Lindberg’s kid wasn’t nabbed and murdered and Lindberg ends up running against Roosevelt in 1940. I stupidly referred to it as some non-fictional historical fact. It’s obviously fiction.

[Borges]

Hitler started the way because he wanted to rule Europe. He said so in his book written in the mid 1920s. Oh and he also did indeed have an irrational hatred for the Jews.

[sobieski]

When did their troops cross the Polish, or even German, border to help? Or was it a useless declaration: Don’t do that Hitler or I’ll stomp my foot.