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Immigration Raids Lead U.S. to a Moral, Legal Crisis
New America Media ^ | 06.19.2008 | Raquel Aldana

Posted on 06/19/2008 8:58:57 PM PDT by Coffee200am

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To: Coffee200am

Unemployment in the USA jumped from 5.0 to 5.5% and this guy advocates to increase the work visa for foreigners. Bottom line is this guy is a racist! He wants only people of “his kind” to have jobs. I say, leave the jobs for Americans who were born here first, since those people have a stake in this country.

JoMa


21 posted on 06/19/2008 9:22:03 PM PDT by joma89
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To: Coffee200am
If workers are legal, we are all better off.

If they would come to the country leagally, they would be legal, jeez!!
22 posted on 06/19/2008 9:24:25 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (Let freedom ring.)
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Joma, quite honestly, most of the jobs these illegals perform are ones that 98% of the people in the 5.5% wouldn’t get off welfare to take. I think the issue here, as it has been for a long time, is to provide a way for these migrant workers, which most of them are, to be able to come to this country legally, work legally, and go home during the down months if they want to. The companies that hire them don’t want this because they would then have to pay them minimum wage. This would increase tax revenue that could be used to further fight illegal immigration and those who facilitate the crime. Remember, the illegal immigrant is not the only guilty party in his or her situation. In almost every case there are many facilitators to their crime. The “coyote” who helped them get here. The immoral unethical bastard of a business owner who hires them, etc.


24 posted on 06/19/2008 9:29:41 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (Let freedom ring.)
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To: Coffee200am
ICE’s enforcement against undocumented workers in the wake of failed immigration reform is shameful.

I could not agree more.

Thousands of employers, corporation owners and their senior management, need to be be prosecuted, jailed and fined.

2nd a 3rd offense..those holding interest in the company, need to have their business assets and interest seized.

25 posted on 06/19/2008 9:31:35 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Coffee200am
Welcome to FR. been here for less than 3 weeks and already posting and from Liberal,Socialist rags at that.
26 posted on 06/19/2008 9:34:47 PM PDT by Peacekeeper357 (God provided food for every bird but he didn't put it in their nest.)
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To: Coffee200am
These raids are leading our nation to a moral, legal and humanitarian crisis.

I fail to see the validity of this statement. It isn't immoral to arrest people who are in this country illegally. The humanitarian crisis belongs to nations from which these illegals come. The U.S. is not responsible for the welfare of people from other countries.

Failed immigrations policy? By whose definition? Only illegals. self-serving politicians and their cronies would believe that our quotas are insufficient.

Congress specifically exempted from prosecution workers who use false Social Security numbers to engage in otherwise lawful conduct, such as to procure jobs.

Since when has using false Social Security numbers or identity theft not been illegal?

27 posted on 06/19/2008 9:41:51 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: Coffee200am

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No failure involved...

Sounds like the policy is working...

ICE is Nice in Postville, IA...


28 posted on 06/19/2008 9:48:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: phoenix0468
I think the issue here, as it has been for a long time, is to provide a way for these migrant workers, which most of them are, to be able to come to this country legally, work legally, and go home during the down months if they want to.

...and go home during the down months if they want to?

I have a problem with that. They should definitely go home during the down months.

29 posted on 06/19/2008 9:49:43 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: Coffee200am
The author Raquel Aldana never wonders why these corrupt Mexican, Guatamalan, and other South American governments drive their own people away, and toward the United States.

Perchance they could reform their ways, so that their own people wouldn't have to run away from them by the tens of millions?

No?

Don't they have any culpability?

Are they compassionate to their own?

No? Why not?

Why are we expected to be more compassionate than they are?

Isn't La Raza superior to us?

No?

30 posted on 06/19/2008 9:56:35 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Coffee200am
I would say, since these TRESPASSERS are no in position to either dictate terms of any kinds nor negotiate over their position and status, they cut their whining, cut their losses while they can, and get the hell out while they can peacefully do it. All manner of assistance will be offered to deport them so they can unify with their families. It will be a much better deal than what they will be offered by the American People five or ten years from now when we ALL have had too much and will be in no mood to "negotiate".

Take the deal now, amigos y amigas. There is no better time.

31 posted on 06/19/2008 10:14:16 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo ("President-elect" McCain Will Announce His Cabinet Bit-by-Bit To The Disbelieving Groans of FREEPERS)
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To: phoenix0468
"...most of the jobs these illegals perform are ones that 98% of the people in the 5.5% wouldn’t get off welfare to take. I think the issue here, as it has been for a long time, is to provide a way for these migrant workers, which most of them are, to be able to come to this country legally, work legally, and go home during the down months if they want to."

Horseshit!

The only part of that you got right is two words:
"go home"

32 posted on 06/19/2008 10:24:25 PM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: max americana
ICE agents rock! They sure do more than the BP.

BP made 1.2 million arrests last year.

33 posted on 06/19/2008 10:30:29 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: joma89

It’s a Harvard educated, civil liberties, moonbat.....female. :)


34 posted on 06/19/2008 11:00:52 PM PDT by WildcatClan
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To: Coffee200am

I love the euphemisms here:

“Nearly a third of its residents, mostly undocumented workers from Guatemala and Mexico, sit in jail convicted of identity crimes or awaiting deportation.”

residents=illegal aliens

undocumented workers=illegal aliens

convicted of identity crimes=so they break the law to get into this country and then use false ID to work, again another crime.

I support more legal immigration into this country, but turning a blind eye to illegal immigration cheapens the value of American citizenship for all of us and particularly for those legal immigrants who wait patiently for the confounded bureaucracy to process them.

In business, this is known as protecting our brand.


35 posted on 06/20/2008 12:14:35 AM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."--Ayn Rand)
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To: Coffee200am

It’s not MY moral or legal crisis. Scores of ILLEGALS break the laws by coming into this country and then start crime waves after they get here. THEY are the ones with a moral and legal crisis.


36 posted on 06/20/2008 2:38:13 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Coffee200am

Are you capable of understanding the word ILLEGAL???


37 posted on 06/20/2008 4:10:40 AM PDT by mommadooo3 (Old concept in justice. If the law won't take care of it, it's just us.)
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How dare ICE (Immigration and Customs ENFORCEMENT) actually live up to their charter, and ENFORCE THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES!?!?!?!?!?!? Those FINKS! Mark
38 posted on 06/20/2008 5:14:50 AM PDT by MarkL (Al Gore: The Greenhouse Gasbag! (heard on Bob Brinker's Money Talk))
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To: Roy Tucker

And Raquel manages to gloss over something quite important here... The fact that these illegal aliens were using identity theft to work in this country illegally.

Has she ever been the victim of identity theft? Has she ever been on the hook for taxes with the IRS for income she didn’t actually earn? Has she ever had to pay for the time of employees or lawyers to straighten out the mess caused by having your SSN used by illegal aliens to work illegally?

Yes, the federal government has made a real mess of things with immigration policy, or more to the point, ignoring illegal immigration for decade after decade. But at some point, you have to say “ENOUGH!”

When you’ve got a burst pipe in your basement, the first thing you have to do is turn off the water, not try to decide what color replacement carpet you’re going to get.

That means stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into the country, and making life (and earning a living) difficult for the illegal aliens already here. “Self deportation” is a good thing, and much cheaper and easier than “rounding up illegal aliens and deporting them.”

Mark


39 posted on 06/20/2008 5:25:06 AM PDT by MarkL (Al Gore: The Greenhouse Gasbag! (heard on Bob Brinker's Money Talk))
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To: Old Flat Toad
Actually its Congress who has overstepped their powers by exempting illegals from prosecution.

Is this true that congress exempted illegals from prosecution?

40 posted on 06/20/2008 6:49:00 AM PDT by muggs (No matter who wins, America loses)
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