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US regulators have announced plans to impose limits on oil trades overseas
BBC ^ | June 19 2008 | BBC

Posted on 06/19/2008 6:12:21 AM PDT by jveritas

US regulators have announced plans to impose limits on oil trades overseas.

The US Commodity Futures Trading Commission said the London-based electronic exchange would have to comply with US rules.

The move comes as oil prices notch up record highs, amid fears that speculators are distorting the market. As a result, fuel costs have shot up hitting the global economy. Airlines have been hit badly, with near record losses expected for 2008 in the US.

US airlines were forecast to report $10bn (£5bn) of losses this financial year as sky-high fuel costs erode profits, according to the industry group Air Transport Association (ATA).

Oil prices slipped from their record highs near $140 a barrel reached during Monday trade as investors were cautious ahead of plans by Saudi Arabia to increase production in July.

US sweet, light crude finished down 60 cents at $134.01, while London Brent settled 99 cents lower at $133.72.

Read more at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7460310.stm


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: energy; energyprices; globalism; oil; speculators; trade
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To: dirtboy

>>given you only need to put up about 8 percent on margin for commodities futures, you can leverage the bejabbers out of any cash you put in. <<

That 8% leverage sounds great when price is rising, but it magnifies losses as well as gains. Speculators can lose much more than their original investment. Since the risk is so great, it is more prudent to speculate based upon actual fundamentals. One wrong guess and you’re out of business.

That’s why you see hedge funds disappear overnight.


81 posted on 06/19/2008 8:55:12 AM PDT by waverna
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To: Red Badger
Well, he's full of shjt.

ICE is an arm of the IPE, International Petroleum Exchange in London, which has been around for decades. London have ALL KINDS of regs, just not regs identical to US regs.

Particularly, IPE/ICE have no position limits and are all cash-settled contracts (I think...Brent might be delivery-settled).

Dubai is of course related to NYMEX. NYMEX' president sits on their board. However, it makes all the economic sense in the world to have a (major) exchange located in the heart of the biggest oil-producing area in the world. I can't get too wound up over conspiracies about nasty old Dubai, sorry.

The way you cure ICE/Dubai-style problems is ''transparency''; make 'em reveal who holds what positions, just like NYMEX. CFTC, to their credit, have reached an agreement with IPE/ICE on this very point. (Whether or not it will be enforced is a different question.)

The only truly odd thing about ICE, which is based in Atlanta, btw, is that it was **allowed** to operate under London regs in the first place. Must have been some kind of funny waiver, maybe from State or Commerce. Makes no sense to have done it this way, and this no doubt fires up the conspiracy crowd to some extent.

82 posted on 06/19/2008 9:02:14 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Oldexpat

natural gas is very cheap and is plentiful in America. Also, genepax has come up with a way to run an electric car using one litre of water to go 50 miles. Check it out. The world’s economies will no longer be held ransom to the oil companies huge profits...yes, only a 10% profit margin, but considering they have a humungeous volume, they end up ripping us off and using market forces and the liberals to excuse it away. Alot of people, like Bill O’reilly see though the bs and are calling for more good alternatives to solve the problem.


83 posted on 06/19/2008 9:03:36 AM PDT by fabian
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To: waverna
That 8% leverage sounds great when price is rising, but it magnifies losses as well as gains.

Given that pension funds are investing on commodities index funds, that means they can be in for a very rude surprise if this happens.

But my main point was that somone with a 100 million dollars in cash can leverage that to over a billion in commodities positions. Makes market manipulation by speculation much more possible than the raw cash figures indicate.

84 posted on 06/19/2008 9:05:42 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: fabian

So it’s the Oil Companies that control the World supply of Oil and NOT OPEC........

Who knew.....


85 posted on 06/19/2008 9:11:09 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: Antoninus

Sad truth is that Obama probably will deliver change.

As thing probably will get MUCH WORSE because Democrats like him
will be sure to delay changes in drilling that we should have put
in place decades ago!


86 posted on 06/19/2008 9:22:58 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Antoninus

Sad truth is that Obama probably will deliver change.

As thing probably will get MUCH WORSE because Democrats like him
will be sure to delay changes in drilling that we should have put
in place decades ago!


87 posted on 06/19/2008 9:23:08 AM PDT by VOA
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To: TennTuxedo
"...one U.S. Congressman wants to introduce legislation that anyone transacting trades in oil, has to take physical possession of the oil before being able to trade the oil to someone else."

They'll never move oil to a spot market. Was it a Democrat who suggested this?

88 posted on 06/19/2008 9:32:34 AM PDT by avacado
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To: SAJ

May DM should stick to toes..............


89 posted on 06/19/2008 9:58:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: kcm.org
so if you run across anything, ping me if you would? Will do...
90 posted on 06/19/2008 9:58:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: farlander

If it wasn’t for speculators, our unemployment rate would pretty much perpetually be in the double-digits.


91 posted on 06/19/2008 10:03:51 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: jveritas
Aren't Costko and Sam's Club retail speculators?
92 posted on 06/19/2008 10:13:23 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: jveritas
More government involvement?

BOHICA

93 posted on 06/19/2008 10:24:18 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Beagle8U

Your 37

That sounds like something Henry Bowman would do.


94 posted on 06/19/2008 10:45:07 AM PDT by wastedyears (Obama is a Texas Post Turtle.)
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To: jveritas
Bad things happen every time government tries to control or manipulate markets. The law of "unintended consequences" rules.

However bead one might think speculators have made the current situation, it is guaranteed to get worse with government intervention.

For example, government intervention in the exploration and delivery of oil to market is what put here in the first place. If they can't even grasp such simple concepts as supply and demand, what makes anyone think they can grasp the intricacies of the futures market?

Adam Smith - The Invisible Hand Speaks.

95 posted on 06/19/2008 2:03:23 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: MNJohnnie

“DRILL NOW, DRILL HERE, BUILD NUKES, BUILD COAL GASSIFICATION, DO IT ALL! ENERGY INDEPENDENCE NOW!”

A big AMEN to that!

You want ot end energy shortage (any shortages for that matter)? Have some stable and reasonable rules (environmental, fiscal, commerce) and let the freemarket loose and you’ll again see abundance.

Our energy crisis are the result of the straightjacket that we’ve put upon ourselves by letting the enviromarxists get control of our elected officials as well as our institutions.

It’s high time that us freedom lovers and responsible people retake both the high moral ground and control of our destiny, by exposing the greens for what they really are - humanity hating, elitists who’ve succeeded into “guilting” the majority of our population into following them into a world of misery.


96 posted on 06/19/2008 2:25:37 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: TennTuxedo
one U.S. Congressman wants to introduce legislation that anyone transacting trades in oil, has to take physical possession of the oil before being able to trade the oil to someone else. That would put a stop to those looking to make a quick buck off of our backs.

No, it wouldn't. Futures trading in oil would simply move to a new location, to the long term detriment of the US commodity exchanges.

97 posted on 06/19/2008 4:39:02 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: wastedyears

Who is Henery Bowman?


98 posted on 06/20/2008 3:12:08 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
I vote we publicly hang an eco-twit, a futures trader, and a Congressman

Citizen, we noticed you filled your gas tank yesterday before the price went up today, please proceed to the platform.

99 posted on 06/20/2008 3:31:22 AM PDT by palmer (Tag lines are an extra $1)
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To: Beagle8U

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Bowman

Read the book too.


100 posted on 06/20/2008 8:27:05 AM PDT by wastedyears (Obama is a Texas Post Turtle.)
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