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Posted on 06/18/2008 5:52:49 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
Most of the Africans are from the Evangelical side rather than the Anglo Catholic side. The Pope probably won’t pick up many folks there.
On the other hand, he could pick up a number in England as that branch fractures over women bishops and homosexual ‘marriages’ by the Anglican clergy.
While I can understand claiming the Anabaptists and Waldensians, I would be leery of claiming the Albigensians, who were nearly Gnostics.
It’s one of the built-in prejudices of the MSM. They can’t just let the truth be the truth; their business model does not allow it. They have to keep the pot stirred.
IMO, comforting illusions about life are less believable in Africa; what Christianity you will find over there is “meat and potatoes,” because in brutal circumstances the warmed-over stuff just looks and sounds stupid.
"Stand Firm is also in possession of this document, and while I haven't scrutinized the entire thing, I think it's accurate to say that those parts pertaining to the fractured nature of the communion are more descriptive than they are prescriptive. They state the obvious - granted, in unusually articulate and foreboding prose - but they do not go so far as to declare a schism as the Telegraph claims. The purpose of the document appears to be more to frame the discussions that will take place in Jerusalem, not to declare anything in the way of an official schism.
"While further examination upon the release of this document may reveal something different, prudence requires that I warn everyone not to proceed from the assumption that this document declares - and thus GAFCON will open with - a declaration of an official schism."
Here is a link to a .pdf of the document in question. I haven't read it yet, so you can judge for yourself.
The news media hates the Catholic church because it is the last large, organized stronghold against abortion and homosexual 'affirmation'. Therefore the media spreads these stories, and those who already dislike the Church, or are ignorant of its actual teachings, believe them.
Here's what actually happened -- Certain bishops in the Church succumbed to the zeitgeist of the 60s and 70s, and as a result ordained homosexual priests who promptly 'chickenhawked' teenaged boys (as one would expect). Then they believed the psychotherapists who told them these guys could be 'cured' - instead of adhering to long-standing Church law, and sent the homosexuals for 'treatment' and then reassigned them. Stupid (and disobedient) but they believed in "modern science".
John Paul II was handicapped by his experience of Communist governments using false accusations of homosexual conduct to attack Church leaders in Poland, but he began a concerted cleanup and instituted a permanent audit of all dioceses in the U.S. Benedict XVI has accelerated that process. He has also re-emphasized the long-standing (since the 50s) rule that homosexuals or those with homosexual tendencies are not to be admitted to seminary, let alone ordained. And most of the goofy heterodox bishops have been cleaned out, with a few notable exceptions that are so well entrenched that it is simpler to wait for them to retire. But even those bishops have seen the writing on the wall and have changed their ways to some extent (e.g. Mahony of LA).
So your accusations are almost entirely past history. (Meanwhile, of course, the news media ignores ongoing homosexual predation in protestant denominations and especially in the public schools, because it doesn't fit the agenda.)
If you are an evangelical or low church Episcopalian, you will find some doctrinal and liturgical difficulties in the Catholic Church, but those can be dealt with. If you are a high churcher, you will be amazed at how little anything differs from a high Episcopal parish (other, of course, than fidelity to Scripture and Church tradition!)
- speaking as a former high church Episcopalian, sixth generation. We swam the Tiber in 2004 and could not be happier in our new parish. We have a wonderful rector, a faithful, orthodox congregation, and (I was surprised) a great music program.
I pray and carefully watch what the new pope is doing.
For over twenty years I have attended the traditional Tridentine mass that was the mainstay of the Roman Catholic Church for centuries.
The evil and perversions wrought in the worship and in the dwindling ranks of the priesthood was caused by two factors: Vatican II and the popes who initiated this aberration and those who nurtured it. This pope appears to have recognized the fact that these changes are not pleasing to God.
About 1950 Stalin recognized that he had two enemies: The U.S.A. and the Catholic Church. There wasn't much to be done to the U.S., beyond larding it's government and other insitutions with spies and moles, but there was something that could be done to the Church: infiltrate it.
The communists did infiltrate the Church and its seminaries, but then those infiltrators decided that the Church could be brought down more quickly with the help of that perverted class known as homosexuals.
Little by little they have been and are still being weeded out. They didn't take their vows seriously. Their intent was to prey upon our children.
I don't have to point out to you that the Anglicans have serious problems, especially when one considers they ordain homosexual and lesbians on a regular basis to the point that true Christian Anglicans are leaving the Church in droves.
What’s interesting here is that this was obviously leaked...why?
I don’t believe it was leaked. I just looked at the website and the whole thing is available for digital download.
That’s the first I’ve heard that. What source are you using?
1 - pg 121; “The Torch of the Testimony”; John W. Kennedy, 1965
2 - History of the Churches; David Cloud, 2002; citing “History of the Ancient Churches of Piedmont and Albigenses”, Allix; 1690/92
You might be using a source that describes a sect that has since become apostate.
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It started way earlier, during the Depression.
From Wiki, so subject to all of the usual flaws, but it tracks quite well with other readings I have done on the matter. Dualism is very Eastern in origin, and has very little connection to traditional Christian beliefs...
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The Anglican Communion is fairly small (about 75 million members worldwide) compared to the Catholic Church. However, prior to the mid-1970s Anglicanism was nearly identical to Catholicism in terms of Church hierarchy, etc.
It is my belief that the secular humanist left has spent the past decades using Anglicanism as a “test run” for a future assault against the Catholic Church who they have always seen as the primary target (if for no other reason than the sheer size of the Church). And now we are seeing the left’s recreation of their assault on Anglicanism, beginning with the push to ordain women.
-- 1958: Lambeth Conference removes opposition to artificial contraception.
That was one of the most important decisions since Martin Luther decided to split with the Church. It was the opening gun in the Sexual Revolution, leading directly to Griswold v. Connecticut, and from there to Roe v. Wade. The Anglican Church was still centrally important back then in the Anglophone world. The WASP Establishment was still ascendant in America, and the 1958 Lambeth Conference was the key cultural turning point. Since then, the Mainline Churches have collapsed, and few people talk about WASPs any more, but back then they were at the center of the Establishment.
As for the current schism in the Anglican Communion, of course it was the American Church--with the complicity of Rowan Williams--that is responsible. It would be one thing to ordain a bishop and then discover that he was a homosexual. It is quite a different thing to deliberately ordain someone a bishop after he has divorced his wife and openly declared himself to be a gay advocate. And to ordain this man for no other reason than BECAUSE he was a homosexual.
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