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Boy, 14, fights for life after stabbed in football row by sword wielding youths wearing niqabs
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | June 18, 2008 | Charlotte Gill

Posted on 06/18/2008 9:19:33 AM PDT by Stoat

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To: alarm rider

I think Americans would know how to deal with this crap.

21 posted on 06/18/2008 9:53:42 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Stoat

I sometimes need to use a cane. But, it’s not exactly just a cane,,,,,,,,,


22 posted on 06/18/2008 9:58:25 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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I sometimes need to use a cane. But, it’s not exactly just a cane,,,,,,,,,

"FBI Agent Bob Rudge said the cane-shaped weapon fired shotgun shells..."

 

Collar Bomb Probe Gets Weirder, FBI Releases Photo Of Firearm Found At Scene Of Human Bomb - CBS News

23 posted on 06/18/2008 10:10:01 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Yep. Those and ski masks are de rigeur for the smart terrorist set. They love the intimidation factor. The antidote is that nice solid feeling of a holster on your belt. Well, it makes me feel better anyway.
24 posted on 06/18/2008 10:29:23 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Stoat

What is clearly needed here is more multicultural understanding. Gordon Brown should contact the Muslim Council of Britain immediately.

Above all, we should be on the lookout for a possible backlash against peaceful muslims for ... (you know the rest)


25 posted on 06/18/2008 10:59:49 AM PDT by tvdog12345
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To: Stoat
"We retain an open mind as to the motive."

Oh, really?...Really?...Really, Officer Biggles, you retain an open mind as to the motive? Really? Really?! REALLY?! A motive, like, say, this...


26 posted on 06/18/2008 11:19:56 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: Stoat

“...in danger of being labeled a ‘racist’ and having his / her career destroyed as a result.”

This will only end when we take the sting out of that word. Someone calls you a racist, say: “Yes, I am a racist, so what?” It is not illegal, after all, as long as you don’t discriminate, you don’t have to like it. I would be willing to bet that everyone is at least a little bit racist.


27 posted on 06/18/2008 11:51:58 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Stoat
Might not be Muslims, might be Ninja wannabes, or could be Muslim ninja wannabes. I would think a real Muzzy would be agast at the notion of wearing women's clothing.

OTOH, IIRC there have been several instances of "leaders" trying to sneak away wearing full Burkas in Afghanistan. So if you see a 6' 6" "lady" in a burka with really big eyes and bushy eyebrows, report it to the nearest US Military or Homeland Security facility.

28 posted on 06/18/2008 2:11:00 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: alarm rider

“I think self-defense is illegal in England isn’t it?”

No, it isn’t.


29 posted on 06/18/2008 4:26:13 PM PDT by UKTory
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It isn’t?

You mean you can carry a weapon to defend yourself? You can fire your shotgun at home invaders without fear of reprisal?

I must have missed that.


30 posted on 06/18/2008 4:38:01 PM PDT by alarm rider (Peace! through superior fire power....)
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“You mean you can carry a weapon to defend yourself?”

Not so much, that’s not the question you asked though.

“You can fire your shotgun at home invaders without fear of reprisal?”

If they are posing a threat to you then yes. If you shoot them when they’re running away, that would be a problem. I believe most US jurisdictions would take a similar approach.

Maybe this might be of assistance:

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html

“Anyone can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime. You are not expected to make fine judgements over the level of force you use in the heat of the moment. So long as you only do what you honestly and instinctively believe is necessary in the heat of the moment, that would be the strongest evidence of you acting lawfully and in selfdefence. This is still the case if you use something to hand as a weapon.

As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence.”

“What if the intruder dies?

If you have acted in reasonable self-defence, as described above, and the intruder dies you will still have acted lawfully. Indeed, there are several such cases where the householder has not been prosecuted. However, if, for example:

* having knocked someone unconscious, you then decided to further hurt or kill them to punish them; or
* you knew of an intended intruder and set a trap to hurt or to kill them rather than involve the police,

you would be acting with very excessive and gratuitous force and could be prosecuted.”

“What if I chase them as they run off?

This situation is different as you are no longer acting in self-defence and so the same degree of force may not be reasonable. However, you are still allowed to use reasonable force to recover your property and make a citizen’s arrest. You should consider your own safety and, for example, whether the police have been called. A rugby tackle or a single blow would probably be reasonable. Acting out of malice and revenge with the intent of inflicting punishment through injury or death would not.”


31 posted on 06/18/2008 5:11:07 PM PDT by UKTory
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To: UKTory

Ok, interesting. I stand corrected.

Best,
AR


32 posted on 06/18/2008 5:32:54 PM PDT by alarm rider (Peace! through superior fire power....)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Ohmygosh... I used to shop at that ShopRite in Port Richmond, mentioned as one of the Philly incidents.

Philadelphia has a large contingent of African-American Muslims, and I used to see nijab-wearing women fairly frequently.

One reason for its embrace by both men and women, is that it identifies a Muslim woman as "one of ours", for reasons of control by the Muslim community, and for identifying non-Muslim women as acceptable targets for assault and rape. The latter is especially the case in Europe.

33 posted on 06/18/2008 10:43:56 PM PDT by happygrl
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