Was Obama's "Certificate of Birth" manufactured?

Blogtownhall ^ | 6/20/08 | Polark

[TribalPrincess2U]

Call Ran Rather, he would know.

[Jo Nuvark]

Lower left corner: Rev. 11/01 laser

What does that mean?

[The_Reader_David]

A non-story. Many states do not issue certified photocopies of the original certificate, but generate new legally valid documents when a request is filed.

New York, for instance, does this, and evidently Hawaii does, as well.

[muawiyah]

Nonsense. These are merely certifications that a REAL DOCUMENT is on file somewhere in Hawaii where they keep the birth records.

That's what's done in every state and territory.

Nothing new here ~ just some pale imitations trying to do a Dan Rather deal.

Remember, at some point we had 22 different major documentable claims about the Dan Rather forgeries and I was able to rationally dispose of 21 of them. The only one that passed and couldn't be rejected for objective reasons was "kerning". It was pretty obvious that the photocomposition guy who did the job left "kerning" in the on position when he set up his Microsoft Word commands.

"kerning" didn't happen in the world of typewriters back when "W" was in the Air Force.

Frankly, I doubt the puke is human but none of you guys want to do the hard work to prove that, and so far all your work on certificates like this is demonstrating nothing other than the fact that WP programs are used to set up digital document print formats, which is hardly news.

[svcw]

I wondered about that myself. When I saw the “certification” I thought it looked fake but thought I was reaching.
Good I am not the only one.

[txhurl]

Plus everything’s in uppercase except DATES.

[originalbuckeye]

My suspicion is that his religion was listed as Muslim on his birth certificate. I was born in the 50’s and my birth certificate says Christian on it. He has already lied that he was never a Muslim so he can't produce an original as it would expose him as a liar.

[Twinkie]

Is there someone on FR living in Hawaii who was born in Hawaii the same year as Obama, so they can send a copy of their legitimate birth certificate to show what a real one is supposed to look like?

[Pharmboy]

Is that, in fact, the way the Aloha State responds when someone asks for a certified copy of their birth certificate, with a computer-generated copy? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

As was said above, some Honolulu Freeper born around '61 should ask for a copy of his/her birth certificate and see what happens.

[COgamer]

“Lower left corner: Rev. 11/01 laser

What does that mean?”

Revised, perhaps? Just seven years ago?

[Cicero]

This is not definitive, because it’s likely that Hawaii issues computer-printed birth certificates these days.

But it reminds me of the way Jean Kerri released/but didn’t release his Form 180. He gave it to a couple of trusted friends, and they released only those parts that were favorable but suppressed the nasty details. He never did actually release his Form 180 in the sense of giving permission for investigators to get it directly from the archives.

The same problem here. IF OBAMA HAS A LEGITIMATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, why won’t he give permission for legitimate investigators to go directly to the State of Hawaii and ask them for a copy, instead of releasing a digital picture of it on a biased and generally unreliable web site?

Release the Form 180. Release the birth certificate.

[txhurl]

They did; we had another big thread on this a few days ago and a number of freepers showed their BCs.

Try to find the thread.

[pissant]

The plot thickens......

[milkhotel]

Really,
taking into consideration that Obama is now the definite candidate for the Democrats, I am severely limited in the amount of seriousness I invest in all these accusations.

I doubt that Obama would allow his birth certificate to be in public circulation, especially if it was so questionable.
If he's as tricky as people are making him out to be, how could he slip up?

[milkhotel]

Obama has (like everything else), probably forged these documents. The evidence seems damning to me also, let us just hope to god that Obama doesn't win.

[ClearCase_guy]

My suspicion is that his religion was listed as Muslim on his birth certificate.

Now THAT is a very interesting comment. Back in those days, people called a spade a spade and that sort of information was commonly included in public documents. A modern, computer-generated birth certificate may be perfectly legitimate, but the format of the output would likely NOT include such information. We now live in a PC world.

If that's the case, I can certainly see why Obama would rather release this version of his certificate rather than something closer to the original.

[JLS]

I found it odd that his fathers race was listed as AFRICAN? His mother’s race is listed as CAUCASIAN. Is African something a modern person chose rather than the currently unPC negro?

[Cicero]

An earlier thread noted that the State of Hawaii will alter a birth certificate whenever ordered to do so by a court, and will hide the original.

So all Obama would have to do to change it—for instance, to change the name on it, or even the date of birth—would be to get a court order. Or possibly the original used the term “negro,” which was commonly used at the time, but that was then changed to “African.”

After these changes are made, and there could have been several over the years, you get a computer printout of the new information, and the original certificate—if it still exists at all—is locked away somewhere and unavailable. Probably the original paper certificates have been photocopied or microfilmed or digitized into a computer, and then destroyed.

[pissant]

He is saying it is not a official document that had the pertinent Obama info added, then printed. Read his analysis carefully.

[Political Junkie Too]

It's interesting that the person who wrote this analysis ignored the reverse datestamp on the document.

-PJ