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To: freespirited

This is not definitive, because it’s likely that Hawaii issues computer-printed birth certificates these days.

But it reminds me of the way Jean Kerri released/but didn’t release his Form 180. He gave it to a couple of trusted friends, and they released only those parts that were favorable but suppressed the nasty details. He never did actually release his Form 180 in the sense of giving permission for investigators to get it directly from the archives.

The same problem here. IF OBAMA HAS A LEGITIMATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, why won’t he give permission for legitimate investigators to go directly to the State of Hawaii and ask them for a copy, instead of releasing a digital picture of it on a biased and generally unreliable web site?

Release the Form 180. Release the birth certificate.


31 posted on 06/17/2008 6:25:20 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

This document seems to be a correct document, just not what is claimed. See: http://suitablyflip.com/suitably_flip/2008/06/kos-tries-to-pa.html

But there’s a bigger problem here than the document’s chain of custody. It involves the difference between a “Certificate of Live Birth” and a “Certification of Live Birth”. This is the latter, despite Kos’ identification of it as the former.

Per the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (a state agency that happens to detail the difference):

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Indeed, the Kos document offers scant details, limited to name, gender, date, location, and names and races of parents.


56 posted on 06/17/2008 6:45:56 PM PDT by NathanR (Obama: More 'African' than 'American'.)
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To: Cicero

That’s what I don’t understand. Birth Certificates are hardly national secrets. I had to give a copy of my kid’s certificates just to get them into soccer.

Why doesn’t he simply order up a clean copy of the certificate and hand it to the New York Times?

I doubt there is anything to this story, but Obama is doing his best to make it look like there is. Maybe that’s the point — to drag it out, and then release it and make everybody who questioned it look stupid.

That’s why I focus on the stupidity of not releasing a simple document, rather than what could be IN the document.


72 posted on 06/17/2008 7:08:23 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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