Posted on 06/15/2008 10:51:47 AM PDT by neverdem
Ministers insist other countries must ratify deal despite Ireland's 'no' vote
Germany and France moved to isolate Ireland in the European Union yesterday, scrambling for ways to resuscitate the Lisbon Treaty a day after the Irish dealt the architects of the EU's new regime a crushing blow.
Refusing to take Ireland's 'no' for an answer, politicians in Berlin and Paris prepared for a crucial EU summit in Brussels this week by trying to ringfence the Irish while demanding that the treaty be ratified by the rest of the EU.
The scene is now set for a major clash between the Irish and their European partners after a Dublin minister and sources in the ruling Fianna Fail party ruled out any chance of a second Irish referendum on the treaty.
Integration minister Conor Lenihan said this weekend that it was unlikely the treaty would be put to the Republic's electorate again. Meanwhile, senior strategists in Fianna Fail said it would be 'politically impossible' for them to try to repeat what happened in 2001-02, when Ireland first rejected the Nice Treaty but then held a second poll which voted in favour of it 12 months later.
'This time around, the turnout was high, so there can be no justification for it. The government is caught in a political trap. There are local as well as European elections in Ireland next year and Fianna Fail will not risk having to hold...
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The Tories said that after the rejection of the treaty's forerunner - the now abandoned EU constitution - by French and Dutch voters in 2005, EU leaders should finally accept that their blueprint for reform was dead. Shadow foreign secretary William Hague said: 'It is time to turn away from this whole centralising project and concentrate on things that really matter.'...
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Resounding? How about too close for comfort?
“Shadow foreign secretary William Hague said: ‘It is time to turn away from this whole centralising project and concentrate on things that really matter.’...”
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The only Euro-weenie who gets it. Why cant the Frogs and Krauts simply acknowledge after 2 failed attempts that the EU is simply too big to control for them?
A glimmer of daylight through the Eurogloom.
Maybe court a few other nations while we're at it.
Thousands are sailing
Across the Western Ocean
To a land of opportunity
One way or the other, this is going to end badly.
If the Irish continue to reject eu domination, I can easily see the euros setting up a trade embargo and blockades to try to starve them into capitulation.
Either kneel to the new emperor or suffer his wrath.
Shades of Rhodesia under the mugabeast.
Now there’s a great idea!
The Irish belong more with “us” than with “them”.
the Europeans don’t have that kind of naval strength and I can’t see the British or us going along with it. They should be looking to the East rather than too a tiny country in the west.
Hope you’re right.
The whole idea of a european empire gives me the willies considering the history of expansionist warfare tied up the members of the eu.
Always liked Hague - when he was shadow leader of the Conservatives in the dark days of the late 90’s, he used to demolish Blair in Parliament on a very regular basis.
He was just too young then to be leader, and seemed a bit “weird” to many.
I wish he was leader of the Conservatives today - humble background, razor-sharp mind, and great with the media - Cameron compares unfavourably in my mind.
Are you surprised ?
The EU is, at it’s heart, anti-democratic. They don’t trust us to make the right decisions and so everything happens by stealth.
When we do get a chance, we show the EU what we think of it - and it usually aint much.
Ministers insist other countries must ratify deal despite Ireland's 'no' vote... Refusing to take Ireland's 'no' for an answer, politicians in Berlin and Paris prepared for a crucial EU summit in Brussels this week by trying to ringfence the Irish while demanding that the treaty be ratified by the rest of the EU... a Dublin minister and sources in the ruling Fianna Fail party ruled out any chance of a second Irish referendum on the treaty... The Tories said that after the rejection of the treaty's forerunner - the now abandoned EU constitution - by French and Dutch voters in 2005, EU leaders should finally accept that their blueprint for reform was dead. Shadow foreign secretary William Hague said: 'It is time to turn away from this whole centralising project and concentrate on things that really matter.'...
Lol - it’s going to be hard to isolate the No Voters in ireland.
How exactly can a group get much more isolated than those 800k no voters in ireland ?
They represent 2/1000 of europe.
And the supports are doing what ? Trying to resuscitate it ?
The treaty will be ratified by all of europe but Ireland - that means the EU will certainly just carry on regardless.
There’s no chance some millionairs and shin fain activists can damage democracy in europe.
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