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Many historians see little chance for McCain
Yahoo Politico ^ | 06/15/08 | David Paul Kuhn

Posted on 06/15/2008 7:11:48 AM PDT by BerniesFriend

Many historians see little chance for McCain

David Paul Kuhn

One week into the general election, the polls show a dead heat. But many presidential scholars doubt that John McCain stands much of a chance, if any.

Historians belonging to both parties offered a litany of historical comparisons that give little hope to the Republican. Several saw Barack Obama’s prospects as the most promising for a Democrat since Roosevelt trounced Hoover in 1932.

“This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, “Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.” His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter’s in 1980.

“McCain shouldn’t win it,” said presidential historian Joan Hoff, a professor at Montana State University and former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency. She compared McCain’s prospects to those of Hubert Humphrey, whose 1968 loss to Richard Nixon resulted in large part from the unpopularity of sitting Democratic president Lyndon Johnson.

“It is one of the worst political environments for the party in power since World War II,” added Alan Abramowitz, a professor of public opinion and the presidency at Emory University. His forecasting model — which factors in gross domestic product, whether a party has completed two terms in the White House and net presidential approval rating — gives McCain about the same odds as Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and Carter in 1980 — both of whom were handily defeated in elections that returned the presidency to the previously out-of-power party. “It would be a pretty stunning upset if McCain won,” Abramowitz said.

What’s more, Republicans have held the presidency for all but 12 years since the South became solidly Republican in the realignment of 1968 — which is among the longest runs with one party dominating in American history. “These things go in cycles,” said presidential historian Robert Dallek, a professor at the University of California at Los Angeles. “The public gets tired of one approach to politics. There is always a measure of optimism in this country, so they turn to the other party.”

That desire for change also tends to manifest itself at the end of a president’s second term. Only twice in the 20th century has a party won a third consecutive term in the White House, most recently in 1988, when George H.W. Bush replaced the term-limited Ronald Reagan, who was about twice as popular in the last year of his presidency as President George W. Bush is now.

But the biggest obstacle in McCain’s path may be running in the same party as the most unpopular president America has had since at least the advent of modern polling. Only Harry Truman and Nixon — both of whom were dogged by unpopular wars abroad and political scandals at home — have been nearly as unpopular in their last year in office, and both men’s parties lost the presidency in the following election.

Though the Democratic-controlled Congress is nearly as unpopular as the president, Lichtman says the Democrats’ 2006 midterm wins resemble the midterm congressional gains of the out-party in 1966 and 1974, which both preceded a retaking of the White House two years later.

One of the few bright spots historians noted is that the public generally does not view McCain as a traditional Republican. And, as Republicans frequently point out, McCain is not an incumbent.

“Open-seat elections are somewhat different, so the referendum aspect is somewhat muted,” said James Campbell, a professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo who specializes in campaigns and elections.

“McCain would be in much better shape if Bush’s approval rating were at 45 to 50 percent,” Campbell continued. “But the history is that in-party candidates are not penalized or rewarded to the same degree as incumbents.”

Campbell still casts McCain as the underdog. But he said McCain might have more appeal to moderates than Obama if the electorate decides McCain is “center right” while Obama is “far left.” Democrats have been repeatedly undone when their nominee was viewed as too liberal, and even as polls show a rise in the number of self-identified Democrats, there has been no corresponding increase in the number of self-identified liberals.

Campbell also notes that McCain may benefit from the Democratic divisions that were on display in the primary, as Republicans did in 1968, when George Wallace took the electoral votes of several Deep South states that could have given Humphrey a victory over Nixon. Democrats benefited from similar Republican divisions in 1976, when Ronald Reagan battled Gerald Ford all the way to the party’s nominating convention.

Still, many historians remain extremely skeptical about McCain’s prospects. “I can’t think of an upset where the underdog faced quite the odds that McCain faces in this election,” said Sidney Milkis, a professor of presidential politics at the University of Virginia. Even "Truman didn’t face as difficult a political context as McCain.”


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; election; electionpresident; historians; issues; mccain; stupid
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Wow..guess the elections over..just don't bother to show up to vote..good thing big media told me to forget about it..huh??
1 posted on 06/15/2008 7:12:03 AM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: BerniesFriend

Yes, the radical liberal left is already rewriting history even before it happens — yawn — so what else is new?


2 posted on 06/15/2008 7:13:39 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: BerniesFriend
"Many liberal Democrat partisan historians see little chance for McCain"

Fixed the headline. This article is crapola propaganda.

3 posted on 06/15/2008 7:17:36 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: BerniesFriend

Pssst, it ain’t over until it’s over.


4 posted on 06/15/2008 7:17:46 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Where have all our Great Leaders gone? Certainly there must be one out there?)
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To: BerniesFriend

No bias in that article eh?


5 posted on 06/15/2008 7:18:19 AM PDT by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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To: EagleUSA

Well, they did call the election for Kerry the last go round so why shouldn’t we think they could do it again?


6 posted on 06/15/2008 7:18:42 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: BerniesFriend

Are these the same historians who thought that lying to a federal judge was not an impeachable offense?


7 posted on 06/15/2008 7:20:14 AM PDT by Carley
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To: BerniesFriend

Their batting average on predictions is to the point where they are hoping to get “one in a row”.


8 posted on 06/15/2008 7:20:52 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“If” McCain is seen as Center Right and Obamao is viewed as Far Left...

Ya think?

Not a mention of Obamao various negatives...


9 posted on 06/15/2008 7:21:04 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ The Obamao v Mad Jon, win the battle and lose the war..choice of evils be..)
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To: unixfox

Here we go....”MEDIA PROPAGANDA WILL STEER USA ELECTION”.


10 posted on 06/15/2008 7:21:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: BerniesFriend
If the election were held tomorrow -- given Iraq, $4 gasoline, the stock market, and the non-recession MSM pseudo-recession -- I'd expect Obama to win.

But not by much.

Fortunately, the election won't be held tomorrow.

11 posted on 06/15/2008 7:22:53 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: BerniesFriend

Obama’s presidency is historically inevitable.


12 posted on 06/15/2008 7:23:52 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: BerniesFriend

Boy are those numbnutz in for a surprise!


13 posted on 06/15/2008 7:24:53 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase Two Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: BerniesFriend

If everything they say is true - then why isn’t Obama leading by 15 points or more? Esp. after massive PR boost after Hillary dropped out. As a candidate obama is toxic, and it will become more apparant over next months.


14 posted on 06/15/2008 7:24:54 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: BerniesFriend

The left just can’t kick Bush out quick enough.

A quick change as Obama wants is a dangerous course with a more than willing demorat congress.

McCain is not a populist candidate by any means either.

Our country is going to be in BIG trouble.


15 posted on 06/15/2008 7:25:21 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose...

OMG!! Lichtman is a DUMB bag of Rocks!!

McCain doesn't have a chance of winning, but neither does Barack HUSSEIN Obama......or are we THAT far gone??

16 posted on 06/15/2008 7:26:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: unixfox
Yeah, they'll all be "shocked" again.

It's soooo transparent. Thank goodness people are getting more and more savvy to their clear, agenda.

17 posted on 06/15/2008 7:28:06 AM PDT by NordP ((Rev Wright ) - Hey, Obama... Looks like YOUR "turrr-key" has come hoooome to ROOOOST!)
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To: BerniesFriend
“Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.”

In other news: 1972 Republicans win 49 states.

1984: Republicans win 49 states.

18 posted on 06/15/2008 7:28:33 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: o_zarkman44

Let’s see how the debates go. Obama is bad so only accepted 1 of the 10 that McCain proposed.

I want lots of debates. We should demand them.


19 posted on 06/15/2008 7:28:35 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: DBrow
"Obama’s presidency is historically inevitable."

Not a chance.

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.' ~ BO

20 posted on 06/15/2008 7:28:58 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase Two Operation Chaos Hybrid that burns both gas AND rubber.)
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