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Science Without Experiments - There are no black-and-white answers when we face integrated...
National Review Online ^ | June 12, 2008 | Jim Manzi

Posted on 06/12/2008 12:47:07 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 06/12/2008 12:47:10 PM PDT by neverdem
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Mooney’s thesis is that it’s all been downhill for the relationship between science and politicians since the “halcyon years” of the 1950s.

Because the Dems took over in 1961?

2 posted on 06/12/2008 12:51:41 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: neverdem
We like to think of science as providing black-and-white answers, but when we are faced with integrated complexity, it’s all shades of gray.

This is why the outcome of the research can often be predicted by the adage "Follow the Money". The science of Global Warming isn't science. It's an economic con game. I guess the author is suggesting that Conservatives try to use science to demonstrate that some science is wrong, but if it's all shades of gray, then that strategy is a little naive.

3 posted on 06/12/2008 12:55:01 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: neverdem

Politics is not particularly suited to mathematical explanation. Physics probably isn’t either, but it’s all we have.


4 posted on 06/12/2008 12:57:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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“A much larger proportion of scientists self-identify as liberal than conservative, so when scientific questions of integrated complexity impinge on important political questions, the opportunities for unconscious bias are pretty obvious.”

And this is why we question their conclusions. Their bias shows itself every time, hence we disbelieve them and charactarize it as junk science. If they stuck to facts and didn’t bias it with political agendas it would certainly make it more palitable.


5 posted on 06/12/2008 12:58:31 PM PDT by GT Vander (I may be retired, but I'm a Soldier 'till I die!)
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6 posted on 06/12/2008 1:01:20 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
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7 posted on 06/12/2008 1:02:59 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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"The science that informs public debate increasingly can not use experiments to adjudicate disagreements, and instead must rely on dueling models."

Not. If there's no physical data, then it ain't science. And that applies ESPECIALLY to "global warming", which is "science" promulgated by cherry-picked data, bad models, and much other pathological science. By comparison, "cold fusion" is MUCH better validated.

8 posted on 06/12/2008 1:08:40 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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Most scientists are conservatives....it has something to do with having a logical mind.

In any case, the war is against Junk-science not science. Junk-science is the brand of science that liberals always use as a weapon to advance their looney notions.

9 posted on 06/12/2008 1:09:39 PM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama, or McCain.)
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Why is it that whenever someone wants a poll of “Scientists” they interview University professors in the Science department?

The study the author cites as documentation that more Scientists self-identify as liberal than conservative is based upon a poll of University Professors in the Science departments.

Polls that show that most U.S. Scientists are people of faith also is based on interviews of “Scientists” who are University Professors in the Science department.

I know most of these studies are out of Universities, but do these ivory tower pinheads think that the only place Science takes place is in a University Science department?

10 posted on 06/12/2008 1:11:26 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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In the introduction to his book, Mooney provides the following list of government entities as the places where the Republican war on science has been most severe: the Department of the Interior (focusing in the book on the Fish and Wildlife Service), the National Cancer Institute (focusing on the epidemiological debate about the purported abortion–breast cancer linkage), the CDC, FDA, EPA, and NOAA (focusing on global warming).

I forgot with the site being down for so long:

CORAM, MT. SINAI, PORT JEFFERSON STATION (CMP) FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATION pdf link from the NY State Dept. of Health

BREAST CANCER RISK FACTORS with references starts on page 25.
“The importance of reproductive factors in affecting breast cancer risk has been known for a long time. Women who have never given birth (or had a full-term pregnancy) are at a higher risk for breast cancer compared to women who have carried a pregnancy to term.”(Page 26)

11 posted on 06/12/2008 1:22:10 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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His explanation for why this happened is sociological and political: Republican politicians and their supporters didn’t like the conclusions that some scientists reached, so they tried to stonewall or devalue the science.

Apparently this dude is unaware of what feminists do to suppress science they dont like. I doubt the GOP could come close.

12 posted on 06/12/2008 1:27:55 PM PDT by freespirited (Difference #1 between McCain and Obama: McCain is actually qualified to be president.)
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I read the story long before I posted it, so I forgot I had material to post with it. I have a NY government reference to “the purported abortion–breast cancer linkage,” in comment# 11.


13 posted on 06/12/2008 1:38:11 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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Although both sides have been guilty of politicizing science, some forms of junk science are a lot more pernicious than others. If a few people believe in creationism, there is no effect on the economy - it's just a debate. But if the same number of people use legal trickery to prevent nuclear plants from being built and terrorism to trash biological experiments, the results are a war for oil, $4 gasoline, and a lot of people needlessly dying of starvation and disease.
14 posted on 06/12/2008 2:13:00 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: neverdem

I would like to point out that the oxymoron “scientific socialism” was created by Engels and Marx to tout their decidedly unscientific philosophy.

Even then, they were trying to steal the credibility of science for their wacky and evil notions. Especially in the early days of the Soviet Union, there was continual propaganda that anything and everything they did was because it was “scientific”.

When scientists either didn’t know or disagreed with their vicious philosophy, often they were killed, and scientific frauds like Trofim Lysenko were elevated in their place.

James E. Hansen at NASA has continued in the tradition of Lysenko, by gleefully altering data to conform with whatever theory justified government control over society, be it cooling or warming.

Because unlike the right, which looks to science and technology to improve our lives, the left looks to science as a way to justify their prejudices and give them power over others. They just plain don’t like technology, as it empowers people, making them less slavish and dependent.


15 posted on 06/12/2008 2:19:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: neverdem

INTREP


16 posted on 06/12/2008 2:21:01 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Thanks neverdem.

Peter Schweizer:
Conservatives more honest than liberals?
(Relatively speaking, well, er, yes.)
Examiner.com | 6-2-2008 | Peter Schweizer
Posted on 06/12/2008 5:47:38 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2030298/posts

Left Was Wrong; Now Even More Angry About That
From Sea to Shining Sea | 6/12/08 | Purple Mountains
Posted on 06/12/2008 5:47:32 AM PDT by PurpleMountains
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2029979/posts


17 posted on 06/12/2008 10:24:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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/bingo


18 posted on 06/12/2008 10:28:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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/bingo


19 posted on 06/12/2008 10:34:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Moonbat Letter to the Editor
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/letters/wb/165466 | Seth Leonard
Posted on 06/12/2008 10:10:01 PM PDT by Looking4Truth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2030406/posts


20 posted on 06/12/2008 10:36:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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