Posted on 06/11/2008 9:15:05 AM PDT by Hal1950
So who would we petition to ascertain that Obama is qualified to run?
The anchor baby problem is soluable, IF Congress would get off its duff and write the necessary legal definition of citizenship at birth.
John / Billybob
Ditto!
The desperation of some of conspirisy bots around here is getting frightening.
These “bumper sticker slogan” arguments are becoming embarassing at best, and will not serve anyone’s interest.
Congressman Billybob
What drove the Supreme Court to rule the way it did in Roe v. Wade? Was it new thinking in lawmaking and judging, were they trying to be controversial, or were they caught up in satisfying a popular or liberal desire?
-PJ
Not true, and discussed endlessly yesterday. (Search for threads).
If he was born in Kenya the US law at that time would mean he is not a citizen, as his mother didn't meet the requirements to deliver birth right citzenship to him at the time. It takes two citizen-parents to make US citizenship automatic. One citizen-parent was not enough in 1961.
(NOTE: Many of these laws were obviously put in place to save servicemen and the USA from an onslaught of kids sired by war-time hook-ups and mistresses claiming citizenship).
I'm sure they have some good forgers working overtime on this at the DNC. No, I'm not joking. I put nothing past the Dems. They continuously steal elections via base vote harvesting and ballot stuffing, so what's a little forgery, false affadavits, etc.
Hell we know for a fact Clinton did all that, and more. But hey, *it was only about sex*. Well so is this! (Sex and the outcome of sex!)
Not true. There are two types of citizens: Natual Born citizens and Naturalized citizens. Naturalized citizens have to go through a process to become citizens, as they begin citizens of someone else. If a married American couple had a child anywhere in the world, either in 1961 or now, that child is, by virtue of BIRTH a citizen of the USA. Thus he is a Natural Born Citizen. If, on the other hand a US Soldier in 1961 knocked up a pretty Saigon hooker that child is NOT, by virtue of birth, a US Citizen. Even if that child became a citizen, it would be via NATURALIZATION and therefore not eligable for POTUS.
Look at it as a two question test:
1. Are you a citizen? Yes - continue No - you can't be POTUS.
2. Were you naturalized? Yes - you can't be POTUS, No - you are eligible.
We know that Barry wasn't naturalized, so he would appear to be eligible. Except, wait a second, is he EVEN A CITIZEN AT ALL?
If that answer to that is no then he probably needs to relinquish his Senate seat as well! That's why we will never see the Birth certificate.
The law governing Barry’s case is not the current law it is the law in place at the time he was born, which is significantly different than what you site.
Individual countries make up their own rules. Many don't give a damn if you were born on their soil, which is why you have 3rd and 4th generation Koreans in Japan who don't have citizenship, 2nd generation Palestinians in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia who don't have citizenship, Turkish guest workers children who don't have citizenship despite being born in Germany, etc.
John / Billybob
The Secreatary of State is charged with ensuring the eligibility of candidates on ballots in most states. The Sec. of States office in my state of Washington has told me (twice) that they do not perform these checks on candidates for POTUS. That’s a violation of the statutory requirement that they do so. I plan on sending them a nicely worded registered letter insisting that they institute a procedure for ensuring that candidates are vetted for ALL offices, as the law requires.
I don't agree with you on the anchor baby issue, but that's not the point I was making at all. My point was that, under both the 14th amendment and the statute as it was in force at the time of Obama's birth, he was a natural-born citizen if he was born in Hawaii, regardless of the citizenship of his parents.
“Geraghty said the Obama campaign could “debunk” the rumors about his birth simply by releasing a copy of his birth certificate, but the campaign has so far chosen not to do that.”
Something is fundamentally wrong here.
Nothing - NOTHING - on Obama’s birth certificate would be as embarassing - nor as shocking - as the discovery that he was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya.
From a reasonable perspective, if I was Obama, I would want to do everything to dispel such notions or rumors. At once, put them down and be done with it.
They have refused to do that.
WHY?
I’m beginning to wonder if a birth certificate even exists, or, if it does, that there is evidence on its face that might indicate it was not issued on the day of Obama’s birth - but in fact sometime afterwards.
Again, they are hiding something.
Something that is not inconsequential.
Something that is of great import upon his qualifications to be a presidential candidate. What it is?
- John
That's because candidates for POTUS do not appear on the ballot anywhere in the United States.
It is not. Most voters would remain totally unaware of this. Period.
Exactly. It’s not like he’s personally responsible for anything on his birth certificate. His supporters aren’t concerned about any of his dirt that he brought on himself, why would they care about things he didn’t?
Why some freepers think it makes FR look stupid to question this is beyond me. What if McCain refused to release his in the middle of rat attack on his eligibility?
I guess if he ever does release it, he knows it’ll be subject to greater scrutiny than CBS’s memo, so any forgery better be perfect.
-PJ
Not really. In Washington the electors are hidden and the Candidates names do appear, though in fact you are voting for electors for those candidates. That’s an interesting dodge they might try to use, though.
Hussein needs a drug test.
His birth certificate states;
Name; Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama.
Religion; Mooooslm.
That’s why he doesn’t want us to see it.
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