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Posted on 06/10/2008 3:18:30 PM PDT by XR7
But I am going to do it anyway, dammit!
To hell with the constitution.
To hell with our free republic.
Of course they’re so PC in Seattle, they won’t pat down Muslims or look in their bags or under their burqas. And then there are the poor downtrodden minorities of other stripes. Cannot risk stepping on their toes.
Who’s left? Who will be stopped at the gates for inspection? The same 80-year-old white ladies who are patted down at airports.
Good job, security people.
A.) Does this include police stations?
B.) Why not just outlaw shooting people?
C.) Unless you stop everyone for a Terry frisk, how would the city enforce such a law?
I am not a student of law, but will the Heller ruling have any say into this?/Just Asking - seoul62.........
"YES, WE CAN!"
One frigging idiot has endangered all of Seattle with guns bans on city property and parks because he had to get into a fight and two innocents got hurt.
People each one of us is responsible for keeping our rights by responsible behavior.
The state supreme ct decision that the city can regulate guns on their peoperty helps the mayor in a big way.
He can do whatever he wishes. The question is whether or not the people put up with it.
I heard he said that it is a “rule”, not a “law”. I guess that is ONE way around the whole legal issue. (Now where’s that photo of the Ghost Pirate telling Jack Sparrow “The code? Its more like a guideline....)
Ai se puede!
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Yeah. That's what tax protesters always say: "It's just an IRS rule - not a law!"
Humph. Tell it to the judge.
There were several rounds of this in Virginia over several years after the 1996 concealed carry law was passed.
Some counties (notably Fairfax) tried the same thing as Seattle. Some hid behind their grandfathered “independent city” status (Falls Church City).
The Attorney General (Jerry Kilgore - R) finally sent all the county and city councils a letter advising them that they couldn’t preempt state law. Another few months and the legislature *finally* passed a law specifically stating that they and not the local governments established Virginia weapons laws, and that no preemptions would be permitted. Even the few grandfathered exemptions were removed.
Then Falls Church City tried a fast one with a “secret” memo to all city employees instructing them to report any open carry observations to the City PD.
Thank God for the Virginia Self Defense League, which is not only 10x more hardcore than NRA, but actually showed up at the next council meeting doing open carry. I wish I had been there to see it.
I suppose all of this could be changed by the ever-Bluer Northern Virginia Democrats, but it’ll take them a few years.
My brother used to leave his gun in a paper bag in a park that was frequented by winos (near the Courts in NYC). They all kept their bottles in paper bags and dumped them in those same paper bags, so he knew that if he had to go to court for a few hours, the bag would still be there because everybody assumed that it was a bag holding an empty bottle of cheap wine or malt liquor. The Sanitation Dept wouldn’t come along until the next day, so he knew it would be okay until the courts closed and he left the building.
They tried this crap in my town. So many people showed-up at the meeting that it spilled into the passageway. Several dozen people tore the selectmen new assholes. The proposal was “shelved for further study.” That was five years ago.
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The irony? At the event that triggered this, the Seattle Northwest Folklife Festival, the vast majority of the 50+k attendees affected by this are... liberals. (Plus a few conservatives.)
If Folklife has to add Security to all the things it already has to pay for (and it's not in great financial shape)... it will either cease to be free, or it will fold. In either case the poorest attendees will suffer by being kept out.
A fun (if liberal) institution done in by a liberal.
Oh well. it was fun while it lasted.
No matter what you do, there will always be ONE idiot who gets past everything.
Now, with this “edict” by king nickel, there will be many more criminals with bad intent getting past nothing.
The people who OBEY the law are the ones who get screwed.
I visit city hall quite a bit in my city ,, they have the usual rent-a-cops there and I have to empty my pockets and go through a metal detector... I’m a visitor ... The employees are exempt and bypass security ... what puzzles me is why bother at all?? Aren’t most workplace shootings BY EMPLOYEES?? They should be harassed and I should be allowed to bypass the line.
Can he do that? Yes. I think he can, as long as his executive authority provides for that ability - in the legal jurisdiction sense. Just as my VA hospital bans my carrying a gun on its property - it’s their property, they make the rules.
I can ban the carrying of guns on my (property) as well, just as I can permit the carrying of guns on my property (though I might have to stimulate that said carrying must abide by any applicable laws).
What he (most likely) cannot do is stipulate that his decree applies to property that is not his, by ownership or by authority over it.
This has gotten a lot of airplay on local radio the last couple of days.
The long and short of it is no, he cannot do this in any enforceable way. State law and the state constitution explicitly restrict any local jurisdiction from writing any law on guns that is more restrictive than the state.
All he can do (and what his order does) is to direct that signs be posted “asking” people to please not carry guns in that place. It is not enforceable by arrest or fine. They can only ask people to leave or “ask” them for their gun. It isn’t exactly clear what happens if someone refuses. If they cannot be arrested or ticketed... and since it’s tough to make a case for “trespassing” in a public park... That part will probably have to be tested in court.
I don’t think it will last long.
One thing I still haven’t seen any detail on is the case that started all this. A guy with a carry permit pulled his gun and ended up injuring a couple of people. The local press made a big deal about how he had some history of mental illness, but no specifics... And furthermore no specifics on the shooting itself, like: why did he draw? Was there a threat? Was it an accident or justified? I’ve seen precious little detail on it.
“The long and short of it is no, he cannot do this in any enforceable way. State law and the state constitution explicitly restrict any local jurisdiction from writing any law on guns that is more restrictive than the state”
thank you
thanks for the clarification of his actual legal authority, in this case - I stand corrected as to what he “can do”, under the law - although ignorance of the law (Washington state law) is no excuse, I have no other one - mea culpa
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