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To: Knitebane

There was plenty of evidence. Maybe they overstepped and maybe they didn’t but clearly at least SOME of these children were abused. These families ALL lived in a comunal home. Therefore the children were all at risk.

Also, if you choose to equate 13 year olds forced into marriage with old men and 12 year olds being homeschooled, that’s your business but I don’t think most homeschoolers would appreciate it.

CPS has plenty of problems but they did this one just fine as far I’m concerned. It aint over until the fat lady sings and she aint sung yet. More will come out of this and I hope plenty of these FLDS nut cases end up in jail.


20 posted on 06/10/2008 10:18:27 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Vote for John McCain along with Tom DeLay, John Cornyn and the majority of conservatives.)
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To: GulfBreeze
There was plenty of evidence.

Two judges disagree with you.

Maybe they overstepped and maybe they didn’t but clearly at least SOME of these children were abused.

You are free to believe that. Hey, I believe it too.

But that's not the way our justice system works. In order for the state to step in and take your children there is a specific burden of proof that must be met. CPS knew that. They chose to act anyway thereby ruining any chances of actually prosecuting the people doing the abusing.

They didn't just "overstep." They took a gigantic leap into the realm of police state. When someone, anyone, can be snatched up and placed into state custody on vague allegations then we are all in danger.

Also, if you choose to equate 13 year olds forced into marriage with old men and 12 year olds being homeschooled, that’s your business but I don’t think most homeschoolers would appreciate it.

Are you deliberately being obtuse? I don't think homeschoolers do anything wrong. But so what? The FLDS people haven't been proven to anything wrong either. And that's the trouble here. If the state decides later that homeschoolers are "abusing" their children then this evolution is the precedent that CPS was trying to set. No arrest warrant, no real evidence. Just grab 'em.

CPS has plenty of problems but they did this one just fine as far I’m concerned.

That's probably the saddest part of this whole mess. Too many Freepers are more than willing to sacrifice their (and my, and everyone else's) rights in order to nail some religious nutcases.

More will come out of this and I hope plenty of these FLDS nut cases end up in jail.

We can only hope. However, considering how CPS went off half cocked and probably tainted any evidence that they might have been able to take to trial I don't think that's likely any more.

Which is exactly the point that some of us have been trying to make from the beginning...

First gather evidence. Then take it to a judge and get an arrest warrant.

You don't just go tearing into someone's home and grab their children. You have to follow the rule of law.

Otherwise you're likely to come up with an empty sack.

27 posted on 06/10/2008 10:30:40 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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