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Jürgen Todenhöfer-Germany's celebrated Jihad-lover (this passes as "conservative" in Germany)
various | June 08, 2008 | Myself

Posted on 06/08/2008 2:54:37 AM PDT by SolidWood

Alright FReepers, this is my first quasi-vanity, in the sense that I don't post an article by another source, but wrote myself on Dr. Todenhöfer, a shining example of elitist, academic and political Dhimmitude and Anti-Americanism in Germany.

If you think the American MSM is biased, if not downright sympathetic towards the Jihadi enemy, and if you think that Michael Moore is a propagandist slob, you haven't met Jürgen Todenhöfer. Sure the German media outlets, such as the "Spiegel" and "Stern" have an infamous history of BDS and anti-Americanism, but Dr. Todenhöfer trumps that.

Dr. Jürgen Todenhöfer (67) is an executive at one of the largest European publishers ("Hubert Burda Media"). Before that he was a member of the German parliament for 18 years and spokesman for the CDU/CSU (Christian "Conservative" party) on development and arms control.

2003 and now again Herr Todenhöfer has written two books named "Who cries for Abdul and Tanya" (a tearjerker bashing eeeevil Americans), and now "Why do you kill, Zaid?", which is a jaw-dropping defense of Jihad as legitimate defense against eeevil Judeo-Christian Imperialism.

His books are bestsellers in Germany and he has making rounds in all major German late-night TV discussions where he is revered as a major expert. Most disgusting I was hinted by a friend in Germany today that he appeared on N24 (Germany's major News-Channel) on a Sunday-morning talk-show named "God's will-Ethic questions" a show where religious and ethic questions are discussed, hosted by a monk (!). There the dhimmi-monk was sucking up the vitriol Todenhöfer spewed, when for instance he blamed the Holocaust on Christianity to defend Islamic Jihadism as harmless.

On his Website Todenhöfer offers us his asinine "Ten theses on the War on Terror":

1. The West is much more violent than the Muslim world. Millions of Arab civilians have been killed since colonialism began.

2. Faced with the warmongering of the West, it is really not surprising that support for Muslim extremists continues to grow.

3. Terrorists in Islamic disguise are murderers. The same holds true for the ringleaders disguised as Christians who wage wars of aggression in contravention of international law.

4. Muslims were and are at least as tolerant as Jews and Christians. They have made a major contribution to Western civilization.

5. Love of God and love of one's neighbor are the central commandments not only in the Bible but also in the Qur'an.

6. Western policies towards the Muslim world suffer from a shocking ignorance of even the simplest facts.

7. The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians.

8. The Muslims must champion a progressive and tolerant Islam, as did their prophet Muhammad. They must strip terrorism of its religious mask.

9. Nothing fosters terrorism more than the West's "war on terror". Muslim countries must resolve their problems with radical Islamism themselves.

10. What is needed now is the art of statesmanship, not the art of war - in the Iran conflict, the Iraq conflict and the Palestine conflict.

Not enough, the German press (well partially owned by himself) left and right is praising Todenhöfer as a truthteller... Even the largest "conservative" German newspaper, the FAZ (Frankfurt) is labelling distractors of Todenhöfer as "islam-hating Internet-junkies with too much time".

Of course the American leftist media has been sucking up to his hate-mongering as well... his website features links to the "Democratic Underground" and "DailyKos"... and he bought 3 pages of the "New York Times" for an attack ad on American Imperialism and Colonialism

Todenhöfers's three pages of the NYT.

Yes, this is what passes as "expertise", "honest journalism" and to many also as "conservative" in Germany. Ugh.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; antisemite; germany; iraq; islam; jihadist; jrgentodenhfer; jurgentodenhofer; phonyconservative; proterrorist; wot
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The similarity to Keith Olberman isn't just superficial:

Youtube features dozens of his interviews on German and English-language TV.

For an honest (German) look on Anti-Americanism in German media, I recommend "Davids Medienkritik" (David's media criticism) http://medienkritik.typepad.com/ . They feature in German and English.

1 posted on 06/08/2008 2:54:38 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood
>>Love of God and love of one's neighbor are the central commandments not only in the Bible but also in the Qur’an.<<

Does Israel know about this? If they do, I am sure everything that has been done to her is all just a misunderstanding of this fine sentiment. Here is a present for Jurgen, this is from a Pali children's TV show, state sponsored. It puts to shame all of his lofty tenets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM

2 posted on 06/08/2008 3:07:30 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: SolidWood
It sounds like he'd have fit in well with Herr Goebbels and the Nazi ministry of propaganda. And, it's clear to me that some Germans still cannot recognize or prefer the benefits of democracy. Passing judgment on America as a way to excuse the sins in their own nations history is also common, I'd say, with some types of Germans who are squishy soft on democracy.
3 posted on 06/08/2008 3:40:35 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama in the WOT has only served to undermine our side and aid the morale of our enemies.)
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To: SolidWood

Wow, how bad we are!


4 posted on 06/08/2008 4:43:46 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: SolidWood
Muslims were and are at least as tolerant as Jews and Christians

Where are the Jewish and Christian civilizations blowin up and bulldozing ancient religious sites like the Muslims are doing aroundt the world on the basis that they offend "Allah"?

And this isn't "terrorism" this is under the guise of government.

5 posted on 06/08/2008 4:48:07 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: SolidWood

He’ll also have to show this “tolerance” in muslim supremacist countries that do not permit the practice of any faith other than Islam and that have the death penalty for kufir who violate this law and for muslims who dare convert away from Islam.


6 posted on 06/08/2008 4:49:24 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: SolidWood
7. The West must treat the Muslim world just as fairly as it treats Israel. Muslims are worth as much as Jews and Christians.

In what sense? Again there are "intolerance" muslim nations.

When a government calls the United States the Great Satan and urges our destruction (as they also do against Israel), they have declared war on Americans.

When did Israel ever declare war on us?

7 posted on 06/08/2008 4:50:54 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: SolidWood
For one, David's Medienkritik is as one sided as Todenhöfer's book.

Secondly, he is of course a controversial figure in the CDU, quote himself: "I'm unable to assimilate in important questions. You don't get far in a party with that. If you ask Helmut Kohl if I've ever been a politician, he'll have a laughing fit." (quoted from a FAZ interview).

Finally, I'd be grateful to see the FAZ sources celebrating him and denigrating his opponents, because the review of his book "Warum tötest du, Faiz?" I found there describes it as deliberately one-sided and often uncritical of the interviewed arabs.

8 posted on 06/08/2008 5:24:15 AM PDT by PoliticsAndSausages
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To: elhombrelibre

I don’t agree with Todenhöfer, but that’s just a knee jerk reflex. What do you expect, obedience out of gratitude?


9 posted on 06/08/2008 5:26:08 AM PDT by PoliticsAndSausages
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To: SolidWood
Just goes to show most of the good, strong, moral Germans left for America in the 18th and 19th Centuries. Germany had no chance in neither World War I nor World War II because we had all the best Germans (and their descendants) fighting for US. Just think about it...Eisenhower (originally "Eisenhaur"), Nimitz, and look at any unit roster from that era and it's littered with Teutonic names.

Between the best Germans who left for America, and the second-best who were slaughtered in two world wars, what's left is a bunch of Beta "Jawohl Johanns". If he were from America, he'd be the crazy guy who calls local talk shows spouting off about how the Bilderbergers have fluoridated the water. Unfortunately, considering what's left in Germany, this is what passes for manhood.

Before any of you German freepers flame me, I know from experience the only Germans I've ever met had French accents and had names like "Matthias".

10 posted on 06/08/2008 6:35:54 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: SolidWood
This is the item that always gets me: "4. Muslims were and are at least as tolerant as Jews and Christians. They have made a major contribution to Western civilization."

After telling us how evil Western civilization is, ie the West is much more violent than Islam, they turn around and then take credit for the accomplishments of Western civilization. Hmmmm, perhaps Islam's contribution to Western civilization is violence?

In any case, all the media in Europe and here is doing is totally discrediting themselves. People's daily experiences with Muslim immigration consists of crime, degradation of their language and culture, aggressive demands of a minority combined with the weakness and dhimmitude of the elite of society.

In the US, this shows up more as the issue of illegal immigration of tens of millions of Mexicans. The elite tells us that these illegals are essentially better than Americans, they do the jobs Americans won't do, they have lower crime rates, they have family values. See, no problema. In Europe, it shows up as the issue of Muslim immigration with the same denial of reality, the same condesencion, the same attacks of bigotry and racism, if you don't go along with the program of self-destruction.

Todenhofer is just one example. The Todenhofers of Europe and Lindsey Grahams of America are going to be in for a rude awakening, when the people have had enough.

South Africa had a wave of violence against illegal immigrants. Canary in the mine?

11 posted on 06/08/2008 7:19:27 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Elected Republicans don't have even the survival instincts of an amoeba.)
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To: PoliticsAndSausages

David’s Medienkritik may be one sided, but it’s the only (there might be some minor other) counterbalance to the Anti-American hate spewed by the German MSM.

Regarding the FAZ, read here:
http://www.faz.net/s/RubC17179D529AB4E2BBEDB095D7C41F468/Doc~EE33DF9AC26684351B19C9AD40529A5D4~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html


12 posted on 06/08/2008 7:22:22 AM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
General George S. Patton:

"Many of you have in your veins German and Italian blood. But remember that these ancestors of yours so loved freedom that they gave up home and country to cross the ocean in search of liberty. The ancestors of the people we shall kill lacked the courage to make such a sacrifice and remained slaves."

13 posted on 06/08/2008 7:31:01 AM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: PoliticsAndSausages
No, I expect mutual respect for a sense of shared values, a willingness to defend western civilization and not just take a free ride. I expect some empathy for the US from those who benefited so much from its help, from the end of WWII and the Marshall Plan, to the Berlin airlift, to the defense of its nation for 50 plus years, to the help provided to Germany when it wanted to reunite into a peaceful democracy. But hey, wanting some to have a sense that the US has always helped Germany and maybe they might be willing to do more than cynically mock the US and its motives...well wanting that type of understand would be asking for obedience in some minds. And they'll save their obedience for the slavish opinions of the Leftists Euro elites.
14 posted on 06/08/2008 7:53:10 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama in the WOT has only served to undermine our side and aid the morale of our enemies.)
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To: SolidWood

I’m reminded of the League of German Jews, the tiny pro-Nazi organization of Jews that lasted until they were all sent to concentration camps.


15 posted on 06/08/2008 8:02:36 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: SolidWood

That’s strange, because searching for Todenhöfer in the FAZ I found this one:

http://www.faz.net/s/RubA330E54C3C12410780B68403A11F948B/Doc~EA7D333177B7548FF853FA87CE8E9F56E~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

What I don’t like about DM is that a lot of their articles supposedly uncovering Antiamericanism are as constructed as you might suppose it on some a bit more extreme left wing paper. When I looked last, they for example commented on some SPIEGEL cover story about the rise of the Euro, saying that while a story such as this would not normally count as Antiamericanism, one would have to see it in the context of the SPIEGEL being Antiamerican. That’s just not very professional, but rather polemic. And that’s not the first time I’ve seen a rather questionable article on DM. Some of their work definitely has a point, especially the earlier stuff. The picture of some Union magazine showing the US industry as blood sucking insects is clearly Antiamericanism. But all in all, I just find DM to be rather manipulative in filling their front page and catering to their main audience.


16 posted on 06/08/2008 11:05:58 PM PDT by PoliticsAndSausages
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To: elhombrelibre

Well, I agree with the first part of what you said. But Todenhöfer obviously is an opponent of the Iraq war, so some values are not shared. Contributing to the discussion is a center point of western civilisation and the Democracy you reinstalled in Germany and that’s what he did. If the empathy wasn’t there, he would probably not bother at all. I don’t really enjoy defending him, but I just don’t see how the comparison of a single man with left wing views and opposed to the war who wrote a book to Goebbels can be remotely fair.


17 posted on 06/08/2008 11:17:41 PM PDT by PoliticsAndSausages
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To: PoliticsAndSausages

Mind if I ask where your from.


18 posted on 06/08/2008 11:41:22 PM PDT by Stentor (Obama supporters. Letting the little void do the thinking for the big void.)
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To: Stentor
Not at all, I'm from Germany. What I didn't do up to now is to state my opinion on Todenhöfer, so I should probably do it now, cause critizism is cheap. I think while Todenhöfer's argument is based on a number of facts, he then goes on from there and constructs an apology for islamic terrorism. His unbalanced presentation of eyewitness stories and interviews, for example in that Faiz book, is also rather questionable, because his agenda seems so obvious from the start. That is why I would dismiss his books as rather polemic and not contributing anything new to the discussion.

What I wanted to point out was that Todenhöfer is a controversial figure in Germany and that the FAZ also wrote a rather critical review of his book. So it's business as usual. You also have this kind of persons in the USA and you wouldn't doubt their commitment to Democracy, because after all that is what enables them to be critical of Government decisions in the first place. And if I take Democracy serious I can not expect them to shut up, I can just expect to shut them up, or at least make them look like the manipulative assholes they are.

19 posted on 06/09/2008 1:26:45 AM PDT by PoliticsAndSausages
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To: PoliticsAndSausages

Got ya. Thanks.


20 posted on 06/09/2008 1:00:14 PM PDT by Stentor (Obama supporters. Letting the little void do the thinking for the big void.)
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