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The politics of oil shale
Fortune ^ | June 6, 2008 | Jon Birger, senior writer

Posted on 06/07/2008 12:10:09 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- You'd think this would be oil shale's moment.

You'd think with gas prices topping $4 and consumers crying uncle, Congress would be moving fast to spur development of a domestic oil resource so vast - 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil shale in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming alone - it could eventually rival the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.

You'd think politicians would be tripping over themselves to arrange photo-ops with Harold Vinegar (whom I profiled in Fortune last November), the brilliant, Brooklyn-born chief scientist at Royal Dutch Shell whose research cracked the code on how to efficiently and cleanly convert oil shale - a rock-like fossil fuel known to geologists as kerogen - into light crude oil.

You'd think all of this, but you'd be wrong.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: Utah; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: colorado; congress; energy; environment; oil; oilshale
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To: RightWhale

So all you’ve stated here is what if not your opinion?
It’s certainly not fact because the future is not fact yet and the oil co’s who are and want to drill disagree with your “opinion” so yes it’s your opinion.
If you can’t see that then I would say Idi Amin is your teacher and that will go nowhere.


61 posted on 06/07/2008 1:38:33 PM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Shell's "in situ" process is drilling. Not mining.

Do they propose drilling everywhere? Seems like dragging the shale to a central processing point would be more economic. Of course the enviros wouldn't allow that kind of massive digging although reclamation would make the land far more useful afterwards than it is now.

62 posted on 06/07/2008 1:40:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: Dog Gone
It's quite ironic that some people are trying to limit the opportunities for the oil companies because it would be bad for them, while others want to impose windfall profit taxes on them because they're not investing fast enough,

Modern day Luddites.

63 posted on 06/07/2008 1:41:15 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, youÂ’ve got it made." Groucho Marx)
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To: RightWhale

You cannot know what I think from what I say.

—Idi Amin

Quoting a mentally ill, sexually diseased cannibal.


64 posted on 06/07/2008 1:42:56 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: smoketree
the future is not fact yet

Are you sure about that statement? Engineers would have some trouble if they couldn't zero in on some future facts. Shell wouldn't bother with their pilot plant if they didn't see some future fact with a degree of clarity.

65 posted on 06/07/2008 1:43:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: Rebelbase

It is true. Still, he was a major character.


66 posted on 06/07/2008 1:45:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: RightWhale
You cannot know what I think from what I say.

—Idi Amin

ROFL, there's a first time for everything, and it's the first time I've seen Idi Amin's statements used at FR as a justification for anything, much less a position on an active thread.

I am giving you extra bonus points for being a pioneer.

67 posted on 06/07/2008 1:47:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: RightWhale

The quote at face value is descriptive of deceitful people.


68 posted on 06/07/2008 1:48:54 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Epistemological archaeology leads in many new directions.


69 posted on 06/07/2008 1:50:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: RightWhale

You completely missed my point which means you missed your own point too.
People who like you try to confuse others about what they have said unually can’t support their opinions.
Emerson said; “who you are stands over you the while and thunders fo that I cannot hear what you are saying to the contrary”
I take Emerson over Idi Amin anyday.


70 posted on 06/07/2008 1:50:59 PM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: RightWhale

It is true. Still, he was a major character.

So was Hitler, Stalin, Jack the ripper, Charles Manson, O.J. Simpson, Osama bin Laden. And on and on.

You can tell a person by the company he keeps and you’ve just told everyone who you are.


71 posted on 06/07/2008 1:54:59 PM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: RightWhale
Do they propose drilling everywhere? Seems like dragging the shale to a central processing point would be more economic.

Yes and yea. Knowing that mining the shale, even though that would be more economic, will never fly thanks to the enviro wackos who live in beautiful San Francisco and have never set foot in the desolate deserts of Utah and elsewhere, they have come up with a different technique.

That technique would leave no footprint after the oil is extracted, but that makes no difference to the envirowackos, because the environment has nothing to do with it. It's just an excuse that gullible people buy.

The Republicans may be the Stupid Party, but the Democrats are the Useful Idiot Party.

Oil shale production is better than Canadian tar sand oil simply because we're not paying Canada for it.

Some people simply refuse to understand. Not can't. Refuse.

72 posted on 06/07/2008 1:55:13 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: RightWhale
Do they propose drilling everywhere?

Drilling technology is radically different than in the past.

They don't require a massive foot print.

73 posted on 06/07/2008 1:55:53 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, youÂ’ve got it made." Groucho Marx)
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To: RightWhale
"It’s an old story. The oil shale was known in 1920. Develop it but don’t expect much."

You are grossly out of date.

For a wake-up call and to hear that we have 3x the recoverable oil reserves of Saudi Arabia , go to minute 01: 03 of the Republican hearings at:

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=205409-1&clipStart=&clipStop=

74 posted on 06/07/2008 1:56:19 PM PDT by balls
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To: RJL

They won’t even put windmills off the coast of Mass. This is a level of hypocrisy and self destructive behavior that is unusual even for liberals. Such liberals will not be satisfied until you are walking or living in a hovel.


75 posted on 06/07/2008 1:57:06 PM PDT by JOLLYDODGER (John McCain - Independence from foriegn oil.)
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To: smoketree
you missed your own point

Easy enough.

76 posted on 06/07/2008 1:59:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: smoketree

Sure, except those characters don’t come around here. Not even Emerson.


77 posted on 06/07/2008 2:01:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Shell Oil has invested millions of dollars in research in getting oil from shale. The main problem they have right now is that it will take more time and money to go to commercialization and they are not willing to do that in an uncertain regulatory atmosphere.
All the blather about how it can’t work and it’s been tried before is just that....blather.


78 posted on 06/07/2008 2:02:17 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dog Gone

That’s reality. We could do great things. We could have done great things.


79 posted on 06/07/2008 2:02:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (We see the polygons)
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To: RightWhale

So where are the posts from your hero Idi Amin?


80 posted on 06/07/2008 2:03:43 PM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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