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Call Lieberman-Warner legislation what it is: cap and tax carbon
Billings Gazette ^ | 6/5/08 | R.J. SAMUELSON

Posted on 06/06/2008 7:25:35 AM PDT by Dawnsblood

The Senate is debating a cap-and-trade proposal, and although it's unlikely to pass, it will return because all the major presidential candidates support the concept. Cap and trade extends the long government tradition of proclaiming lofty goals that are impossible to achieve. We've had "wars" against poverty, cancer and drugs; but poverty, cancer and drugs remain. President Bush called his landmark education law No Child Left Behind rather than the more plausible Few Children Left Behind.

Carbon-based fuels (oil, coal, natural gas) provide about 85 percent of U.S. energy needs and generate most greenhouse gases. So, the simplest way to stop these emissions is to outlaw them. Naturally, that's what cap and trade does. Companies could emit greenhouse gases only if they had annual "allowances" -quotas - issued by the government. The allowances would gradually decline. That's the "cap." Companies (utilities, oil refineries) that needed extra allowances could buy them from companies willing to sell. That's the "trade."

In one bill, the 2030 cap on greenhouse gases would be 35 percent below the 2005 level and 44 percent below the level projected without any restrictions. By 2050, U.S. greenhouse gases would be rapidly vanishing. Even better, their disappearance would be allegedly painless. Reviewing five economic models, the Environmental Defense Fund asserts that the cuts can be achieved "without significant adverse consequences to the economy." Fuel prices would rise, but because people would use less energy, the impact on household budgets would be modest.

This is mostly make-believe. If we suppress emissions, we also suppress today's energy sources, and because the economy needs energy, we suppress the economy. The models magically assume smooth transitions.

(Excerpt) Read more at billingsgazette.net ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; carbon; law; liebermanwarner; tax

1 posted on 06/06/2008 7:25:35 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

In a just world, those who propagate this hoax would be charged as criminals.


2 posted on 06/06/2008 7:27:18 AM PDT by lormand (GOP - the new Populist Party)
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To: Dawnsblood

Liberman-Warner: Because energy costs are too cheap!


3 posted on 06/06/2008 7:30:53 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Dawnsblood
The global warming hoax relies on the oldest of cons to be convincing... the Ponzi scam. Basically, its shuffling a lot of money around. The difference is the global warming scam doesn't even claim to provide a product people want... just a lot of hot air on sale!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 06/06/2008 7:38:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lormand
Several billion dollars and none of it reduces global emissions ONE iota. Tell me again how a so-called "cap and trade" scheme ACTUALLY reduces CO2 emissions?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 06/06/2008 7:39:45 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

It’s dead, Jim! “ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2027034/posts


6 posted on 06/06/2008 7:43:40 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

PLEASE tell me they won’t keep reviving it like they do amnesty... PULEEEEEEEEZE!


7 posted on 06/06/2008 7:53:05 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: Always Right

May 2008
1,000 trucking companies go out of business leaving 42,000 trucks idle..

Higher energy costs will cut emissions!


8 posted on 06/06/2008 8:03:40 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Dawnsblood

What this article, and just about every other article I have read on this subject, fails to mention is that there simply won’t be enough credits in the US to cover all of the emissions so US companies will be required to buy credits from foreign countries. It is just a way to begin global redistribution of wealth. When a US company needs credits, it can buy them (simply sending them money for absolutely nothing) from an undeveloped country that is still burning elephant dung for heat.


9 posted on 06/06/2008 8:12:41 AM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: Dawnsblood

Message to environmental wackos:

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a raw material for photosynthesis in green plants.

This means the following:

No carbon dioxide.

No photosynthesis.

No green plants.

No oxygen released by plants vital to the respiration in plants and animals.

No life of any kind on earth.

No kidding.

Advise:

Stuff your greenhousegases where the sun doesn’t shine.


10 posted on 06/06/2008 8:32:27 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Dawnsblood

The simplest means to massively lower CO2 emissions would be to start a crash program to build hundreds of nuclear plants to generate electricity. Cheap and abundant electric power might make electric cars possible, could facilitate making hydrogen from water and save the landscape from being littered with windmills. However, I doubt the global warming cultists would accept this solution as it would not hasten global wealth redistribution and socialism.


11 posted on 06/06/2008 9:15:33 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Dawnsblood; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; Fiddlstix; Timeout; Entrepreneur; ...
 



Calculate your one-day Carbon Belch !

12 posted on 06/06/2008 3:42:44 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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