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Marriage ban is not a 'wedge issue'
LA Times ^ | 5 June 2008 | David Benkof

Posted on 06/05/2008 8:03:22 AM PDT by shrinkermd

...Mayor Gavin Newsom explained his decision in 2004 to grant marriage licenses to San Franciscans in defiance of state law: "We're reacting to the president's decision to use this as a wedge issue to divide people. I think what he's doing is wrong. It's hurtful."

Newsom told CNN that gays deserved "the same kind of rights that are extended to my relationship with my wife" -- whom, Californians later learned, he cheated on with his friend's wife. I find it interesting that the four most prominent heterosexual politicians supporting a new definition of marriage -- Newsom, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer and his successor, David Paterson -- have all acknowledged committing adultery, in the latter two cases with numerous women. Shouldn't that disqualify them from deciding what marriage should be?

The theory that marriage initiatives exist to turn out Republican voters in presidential elections is simply baseless. The marriage measures in the states of Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Missouri, Nevada, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin all appeared on ballots that did not contain a presidential general election.

Despite the paranoia of "marriage-equality" advocates, ballot initiatives to enshrine man-woman marriage in state constitutions are not a political ploy to win elections. They are the only logical response to the constitutional lawsuits funded by the gay and lesbian community that threaten to impose the gay community's definition of marriage on the vast majority of Americans who prefer the traditional definition of marriage.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; gays; homosexualagenda; marriage; straights
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Point prevalence for male homosexuality does not exceed 4% and for female homosexuality 2%. Of these only a small fraction want to marry. Why the uproar?

The issue really is a homosexual claim to "normality." From their perspective, they are "normal" and need reasurrance that others see and treat them as "normal."

Of course the problem is sexual organs do provide recreation but they are designed for procreation. By definition the aim of sexuality is not only thwarted but made impossible by homosexual acts. Further, if one one defines "abnormal" as statistically rare then a point prevalence of 4% or less is rare.

"Gay marriage" is just another effort at normalizing homosexuality.

1 posted on 06/05/2008 8:03:22 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd; wagglebee
"[S]urveys have estimated that 4 to 5 percent of men and 2 to 3 percent of women have had same-sex sexual relations after age 18. Studies that count only people who identify themselves as gay or lesbian, however, come up with much smaller numbers: about 2.8 percent of men and 1.4 percent of women." —The New York Times

"The friend who forwarded this to me noted that though homosexualists made up only 2 percent of the population, they were nevertheless a very powerful 2 percent. A group representing only one out of every 50 Americans has such social power, I think, because they represent an extreme of sexual liberty that thereby justifies more "normal" immorality, e.g., rampant heterosexual fornication. The secular straight world listens to them and promotes their cause because it is sexually libertine itself and knows that a world in which sodomy is normal is a world in which no one will think twice about fornication or even adultery." —David Mills

2 posted on 06/05/2008 8:06:17 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: shrinkermd
They are anything but "normal" and they aren't done when they attack marriage. They want full coverage representation in TV and movies. They want their perversions and wierdnesses displayed at every corner.

And they want our children exposed to their psycho version of sexuality.

Homosexuality is a mental disease and anytime it isn't viewed that way and treated accordingly, our whole country takes another step towards the abyss.

3 posted on 06/05/2008 8:09:16 AM PDT by Chinstrap61a
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To: shrinkermd

This should put California in play. If it loses, conservatives should make arrangements to move out before their assets are taxed away.


4 posted on 06/05/2008 8:10:30 AM PDT by AU72
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To: shrinkermd

The thing that drives me nuts is the talk of “allowing” gay marriage. It’s really about requiring everyone to recognize same-sex marriage as legitimate. Or as you put it, normalizing it.


5 posted on 06/05/2008 8:11:02 AM PDT by murdoog (http://babydoc3.livejournal.com)
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Question? If a man marries his son..will that enable him to pass along his fortune withoug paying inheritence tax?


6 posted on 06/05/2008 8:12:35 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: shrinkermd

From “The Naked Communist” 1958, Cleon Skoussen, former FBI Agent:

18. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy.

25. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.


7 posted on 06/05/2008 8:12:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: murdoog

Question? If a man marries his son..will that enable him to pass along his fortune without paying inheritence tax?


8 posted on 06/05/2008 8:12:55 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: shrinkermd

Wedge issue my rosey Irish bum...Newsom did this to get himself some national press, thinking it would catapult him to higher office in the State and get him some bona fides among the gay community, who regarded him as a “conservative” mayor. He’s a complete and utter imbecile who has done nothing during his tenure to improve conditions in this City, either for the residents or the commuters they need to fill those office buildings.

I think Newsom saw himself as a logical successor to Feinstein or Boxer, and apparently completely forgot that when it comes to gay MARRIAGE, a majority of the voters in this State aren’t willing to go that far. California has a domestic partners law that grants all the rights and privileges of marriage to registered unmarried couples, both gay and straight.

If Newsom’s grandstanding, then as now, brought conservatives and moderates to the polls, then he has only himself to blame. As they say in “Ghostbusters” — “Oh buddy, did YOU back the wrong horse....”


9 posted on 06/05/2008 8:13:08 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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“The thing that drives me nuts is the talk of “allowing” gay marriage. It’s really about requiring everyone to recognize same-sex marriage as legitimate. Or as you put it, normalizing it.”

Well, it’s actually a matter of making everyone adjust to defining their own marriage in a way that has nothing to do with child-bearing or family-rearing. Now it’s just about feeling “fulfilled.”


10 posted on 06/05/2008 8:19:41 AM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: shrinkermd

“...It’s hurtful...”

You poor baby...


11 posted on 06/05/2008 8:42:23 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: Oldexpat

Yes.

Yes it will.


12 posted on 06/05/2008 8:43:25 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: shrinkermd
"Aw, little kids is just a newsom anyway." --Stymie
13 posted on 06/05/2008 8:48:05 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: shrinkermd

I noticed from the bottom of the article the site http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/ . That’s a revelation to me.


14 posted on 06/05/2008 8:52:09 AM PDT by beejaa
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To: beejaa

That is an outstanding contribution. I didn’t even look. Actually, the author of the post gives a comprehensive and understandable explanation.

Thanks


15 posted on 06/05/2008 8:58:16 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

bookmarked


16 posted on 06/05/2008 8:59:46 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: shrinkermd
That's exactly it. To justify their lifestyles and choices, they must make it normal. They must surround themselves with those who perpetuate their lies, so that they can think their lives are fulfilled. As long as their fellow homosexuals are circulating the lies, they will never acknowledge how wrong their lifestyle is. God help them.
17 posted on 06/05/2008 9:19:47 AM PDT by republicanequestrian
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To: shrinkermd

“”Gay marriage” is just another effort at normalizing homosexuality.”

You’re 100% right... it’s an unavoidable conclusion once you buy the premise that homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality.


18 posted on 06/05/2008 9:29:07 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: shrinkermd
I see it more as an afford to destroy marriage. Polygamy will be next. The the incest taboo will be removed, followed by marriage to a pet.

The destruction of marriage will create enormous chaos on our society - this can be concluded from the Soviet Russian experiment to destroy the family in the late 1930s and early 1940s.

19 posted on 06/05/2008 9:36:51 AM PDT by Dante3
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They want to destroy what they envy. This is Satan at work.

The ban on gays in the military caused many gays to sign up out of envy and spite. The don't ask don't tell policy took some of that motivation away, reducing the number of gay soldiers.

20 posted on 06/05/2008 9:46:41 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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