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Reunited, families trickling back to polygamous sect's Texas ranch(Barf Alert)
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 06/04/2008 | Brooke Adams

Posted on 06/04/2008 3:00:40 PM PDT by JRochelle

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To: ladyjane
Was I married to you once?

Unequivocally, no. But it's not hard to believe that a man would divorce such an idiot. Your ex must've had at least half a brain.

Did they ever reinstate you to your anger management class?

LOL! That's really clever. Of course, I guess it's out of line in today's nanny-state society to become angry at gestapo government agencies that take advantage of government mandates to abuse children. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a man, not a smug self-righteous feminist like you.

OK, now that we're done with the small talk, maybe you'd care to take on the central issue.

How exactly do you feel about documented (as opposed to hypothetical) child abuse? Do you approve of taxpayer-funded government-mandated Child "Protective" Services butt-raping small children? Is that OK with you?

Inquiring minds want to know.

41 posted on 06/04/2008 6:35:18 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: UCANSEE2

You have been on these threads...I find it very hard to believe you haven’t noticed...

I also thought the rules didn’t allow for personal attack- but my eyes have been opened this past month. It seems you can accuse someone of the most vile things, simply because they don’t agree with you 100%.


42 posted on 06/04/2008 6:41:19 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: nomorelurker
You would have done well in Salem Ma a few centuries ago.

Thanks! I totally agree! I would have saved those women, the mob would have been on the run!

43 posted on 06/04/2008 6:41:38 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle
Ok Good we can put the welfare fraud thing to bed/away then?
44 posted on 06/04/2008 6:42:37 PM PDT by nomorelurker (keep flogging them till morale improves)
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To: Nervous Tick

I think your comments are going beyond the pale, here. Calm down a bit, and argue law, not personalities.


45 posted on 06/04/2008 6:44:25 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: JRochelle
molester defenders

LOL- you really need to think up a new one, after accusing half the posters of that and various forms of it; it is really losing its zing.

46 posted on 06/04/2008 6:45:36 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Tell me: are you proud of being an apologist for a child rapist?

>> He was a volunteer court-appointed advocate, neither a CPS worker, nor a foster care parent.

but he works closely with CPS and CPS VETTED HIM! It says so in the article: “... and was cleared with CPS”. How do you suppose “the court” found him? He was in the judge’s rolodex? OR—CPS RECOMMENDED HIM?

>> “He was thought of as a family friend.”

You really are that stupid, aren’t you. He wasn’t a “family friend” BEFORE the court FORCED HIM on the children. No, rather, he gained (with the help of the benevolent, all-powerful State) the TRUST of the family by pretending to be something he wasn’t.

Honest to God, I can’t see how you CPS-lovers can be so willfully blind.


47 posted on 06/04/2008 6:46:58 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: JRochelle

Not by your posts on this subject.


48 posted on 06/04/2008 6:47:51 PM PDT by nomorelurker (keep flogging them till morale improves)
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To: UCANSEE2

Respect is hard to receive when one doesn’t give it to others.


49 posted on 06/04/2008 6:49:45 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: LeGrande
Alice wrote: I can understand why the authorities took a special interest in her and asked for two forms of identification.
(meaning, yes, that since they were looking for Sarah Barlow they had to verify who she was and her age)

LeGrande wrote: CPS can't legally touch an adult. So to avoid that little technicality and because they wanted to detain and interrogate her they classified her as a minor. Then, after they classified her as a minor they used that classification to get a second warrant to remove all of the children, because they now had evidence of minors who were parents.
(meaning, her word was all the proof the CPS needed and somehow or another Sarah Barlow Draper was the reason for the second warrant)

I couldn't care less about the 'religious' beliefs of the FLDS. This is a organization of criminals, on so many levels, who have used the word religion as a cover for too many years.

A lawsuit was filed in 1987 against the United Effort Plan It was a business trust originally set up to protect the property of the polygamists, but used by the leadership to acquire deeds to the homes some of the members had built on UEP property.

For lawsuit purposes, these men who had assumed power and control of the organization came up with the name "Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" (FLDS) claiming they were an organized church and had been since 1830 when Joseph Smith organized the Mormon Church. They did this in order to legally hide behind a church entity.

50 posted on 06/04/2008 6:52:33 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Nervous Tick

You make the mistake of thinking that those of us who want these kids away from the adults in the compound, somehow support and think that everything that CPS does is good.

I have never thought that. They made mistakes in this case. But in general I think they acted in a correct manner in taking the kids away. I always thought that not all the kids should be kept away but that was an issue that would take time to fix.

In fact there was one man who was over 40 and only had one wife. I would not have been opposed to him and his wife not having their kids removed.

CPS serves a vital purpose. There are many parents out there who aren’t fit to have kids. Yet they do. CPS has saved a lot of kids. And no doubt they have messed up to.

As to your link, that guy was not a CPS worker.


51 posted on 06/04/2008 6:52:47 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle
you haven't noticed me making personal attacks because I try not to do that

ROTFLMAO

52 posted on 06/04/2008 6:54:46 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: nomorelurker

For the people in Texas, yes. The FLDS in Utah are into that.

The people in Texas wanted to be left alone. I have never thought that they were on the welfare dole in Texas. That would have meant that the gov. would have to know names, ages, ss numbers etc. The FLDS didn’t want that in Texas.


53 posted on 06/04/2008 6:56:42 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: nomorelurker

I am passionate about saving innocent young girls and boys, just as I would have been passionate about saving innocent young women in MASS several years ago.


54 posted on 06/04/2008 7:00:06 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle

That should say several centuries ago!


55 posted on 06/04/2008 7:02:14 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: JRochelle

See my many posts on why would you set up a isolated/secretive cult location and then run to the state for money. Odd that you and I agree on something.


56 posted on 06/04/2008 7:04:15 PM PDT by nomorelurker (keep flogging them till morale improves)
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To: Nervous Tick
Police today filed a new aggravated sexual assault of a child charge against Austin businessman Billy Dan Carroll.

Police say child abuse detectives on Tuesday interviewed a 16-year-old girl who said she was assaulted by Carroll in 1999, when she was 7 years old, while spending the night at his house.

An arrest affidavit filed today states that the girl knew the Carroll family.

The girl's family came forward after seeing news media reports discussing the case, according to the affidavit.

The affidavit also states that the girl and several of Carroll's child victims had been drugged with a "slushy" drink containing a narcotic before they were sexually assaulted.

Carroll was charged last week with sexually assaulting a 6-year-old in 23 instances on a videotape that police seized from Carroll's home. The girl who was interviewed Tuesday was able to identify herself from a still photo taken from the video, according to the affidavit.

Carroll also was seen on the video sexually assaulting a 2-year-old on five different occasions, according to arrest affidavits filed Friday. Carroll, 53, also was charged Friday with operating an illegal hidden camera in the bathroom of his home with which he taped a 13-year-old girl.

Carroll now faces seven charges against him, police said.

Carroll was once a volunteer with the Court Appointed Special Advocates of Travis County program, and Sgt. Brian Loyd with the child abuse unit has said that Carroll met at least one of the children he is accused of assaulting through his volunteer work with CASA.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/06/05/0605carroll.html

Tar and feather, then draw and quarter the guy but why are you condemning the CPS - looks like he met only one of many victims through his volunteer work with the court.

Are you one of those who think the only good civil servants are trash collectors and road repairmen?

57 posted on 06/04/2008 7:15:52 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Tammy8

Lol. Sometimes calling an apple an apple and an orange an orange is quite okay, if you know what I mean...

;)


58 posted on 06/04/2008 7:21:59 PM PDT by commonguymd
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To: Alice in Wonderland
(meaning, her word was all the proof the CPS needed and somehow or another Sarah Barlow Draper was the reason for the second warrant)

Do you really think a 37 year old women could be confused with a 12 year old girl? LOL You must think that the CPS are really really stupid. (You might be right for once)

For lawsuit purposes, these men who had assumed power and control of the organization came up with the name "Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" (FLDS) claiming they were an organized church and had been since 1830 when Joseph Smith organized the Mormon Church. They did this in order to legally hide behind a church entity.

Is there anything wrong with that? If Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Baptists qualify as religions, I don't see a problem with the FLDS qualifying as a religion.

59 posted on 06/04/2008 7:23:00 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: John Williams
The issue will fade from the front pages, and FReepers will go back to bass fishing or whatever.

Maybe but I'll not forget what I've learned about the FLDS and what they do to their "wives" and their precious children. It will stay with me always and I will continue to pray for them.

60 posted on 06/04/2008 7:23:34 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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