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It's unfortunate, but the courts, in their infinite wisdom, have decreed that although the Constitution prohibits the federal government from banning firearms, the individual states have complete discretionary power in their interpretation and execution of the 2nd amendment
1 posted on 06/03/2008 6:04:44 PM PDT by BloodOrFreedom
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To: BloodOrFreedom

The States seem to be able to do away with the 2d Amendment, but let them try to do away with the “right” to an abortion found in a “penumbra” of the Constitution.


2 posted on 06/03/2008 6:09:10 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: BloodOrFreedom

New York sends agents to Georgia acting as undercover investigators, sues people based on the (supposed, unproven) actions of the vendors in Georgia, forces them to come to Naw Yawk for the trial, gets a friendly judge, the judge uses some Naw Yawk technicality to have the option of a trial by Jury voided so that he alone can decide guilt.

This is what is called justice in Naw Yawk!

The person who should be most outraged by this is the Gov. of Georgia. Is he really OK with letting NY get away with this? What about some turn-about-is-fair-play enforcement. Send some Southerners up there with bogus prescriptions, have large NY based pharmas fill them, then sue them in Georgia, with Judge Cousin Bubba presiding.


3 posted on 06/03/2008 6:15:04 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: BloodOrFreedom

It makes me uncomfortable to pronounce absolutes, but anyone who celebrates this whole affair is an enemy of freedom, and thus a scumbag. Can you imagine (as if liberals care) what the Founders would have to say?


5 posted on 06/03/2008 6:18:14 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (I am the town square.)
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To: BloodOrFreedom
This mummified old asshat is an LBJ appointee who refuses to go quietly. And this, from Wikipedia:

"Judge Jack Weinstein has been criticized for being sympathetic towards plaintiffs in litigation against the tobacco and firearm industries.[5] An investigation by the New York Sun found that big lawsuits with billions of dollars at stake tend to get assigned to Judge Weinstein.[6] According to the newspaper, some plaintiffs, particularly in tobacco and firearms cases state at filing time that their cases are related to other cases that are or have been before Judge Weinstein. This results in their cases being assigned to him as well. Judge Weinstein has been criticized for this practice by other judges including Judge George Pratt and Judge José Cabranes of the 2nd Circuit.[6] Defense attorneys for the firearm and tobacco industries have alleged judge shopping and have long tried to get their cases reassigned away from Judge Weinstein's courtroom, with mixed results.

The article reports that on Dec 6, 2007, John Renzulli, a firearms industry attorney will ask Judge Weinstein to recuse himself from City of New York v. A-1 Jewelry & Pawn, et al.[7], a firearms lawsuit brought by New York City against out-of-state gun dealers, arguing that "the assignment of this entire chain of firearms cases to Your Honor can only be characterized as a poisonous tree".

The Second Amendment Foundation, a gun rights organization has called upon Judge Weinstein to step down from the bench or step aside from hearing any further gun industry lawsuit cases, arguing that the judge has become known more for activism than judicial neutrality.[8]

In June 2008, in the case of Adventure Outdoors, a Georgia gun dealer sued by the City of New York, Judge Weinstein was accused of having "already made up his mind about the case, making any trial “a mere formality.”" Judge Weinstein had decided to seat an advisory jury — one whose decision would not be binding and would leave the judge himself as the final arbiter of fact and law. This caused the gun dealer to withdraw from the trial in order to move more quickly to an appellate court.[9] The Second Amendment Foundation echoed concerns that the dealer could not get a fair trial before Judge Weinstein and called for Weinstein to recuse himself from firearms industry cases.[10]"

You can be sure Nanny Bloomberg had an invisible hand in making sure this old fossil got to rule on the case.


6 posted on 06/03/2008 6:21:30 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Paul Krugman: Conscience Of A Crapweasel. (For lack of a better tagline at the moment.)
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To: BloodOrFreedom

Actually, that is exactly right. The gun stores should file suit in Georgia against the City of New York, and reach a summary judgment before city attorneys even show up. Say, a ten billion dollar judgment should solve a lot of this problem.


8 posted on 06/03/2008 6:24:08 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: BloodOrFreedom

Since Congress has the authority to decide the effects of judgments in one state on people in another, and since Congress has used such authority to forbid lawsuits such as this one, why can’t the dealer just ignore the judgment? How is it supposed to be enforced?


9 posted on 06/03/2008 6:24:18 PM PDT by supercat
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To: BloodOrFreedom
It's unfortunate, but the courts, in their infinite wisdom, have decreed that although the Constitution prohibits the federal government from banning firearms, the individual states have complete discretionary power in their interpretation and execution of the 2nd amendment

Actually, until incorporation changed everything, the 2nd Amendment was not supposed to have any bearing on the states. They were free to do as they pleased. Of course, the Founders did not fear that the states would be a danger to our liberties. It was the federal government that worried them.

15 posted on 06/03/2008 8:01:01 PM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: BloodOrFreedom

16 posted on 06/03/2008 8:03:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: BloodOrFreedom; Joe Brower
Bloomberg Fight Back Fund, Jay Wallace, President, Adventure Outdoors:

June 3, 2008 Update

Added June 2, 2008 to Court page today. I remain working on other items to publish. Stay tuned and keep signing my guest book. I like reading how everyone is feeling on this important issue.

June 2, 2008 Update

Well I’m sure many of you are wondering what is going on. I will do my best to give the details of what & why.

What:

This morning the Renzulli Law Firm respectfully moved to withdraw as counsel for Adventure Outdoors. Adventure Outdoors has decided that it does not intend to defend itself at a bench trial. Unlike the City, which can spend unlimited amounts of taxpayer’s money, Adventure Outdoors is a small retail dealer with limited resources and cannot afford to participate in a four-week bench trial, the result of which is a foregone conclusion and will result, as this court has acknowledged, in an appeal. This would require Adventure Outdoors to again try the case before a constitutional jury after appeal and remand. Adventure Outdoors has accordingly chosen not to engage in the futile exercise of defending itself at a bench trial, and to appeal from any default judgment that may be entered against it.

Why:

Adventure Outdoors’ decision is motivated by the fact that it will not receive a fair trail. The City selected the district judge that it desired to hear this case in violation of Adventure Outdoors’ right to due process. Six days before trial was scheduled to begin, the court deprived Adventure Outdoors of its Seventh Amendment right to a trial by jury and indicated that it would serve as the finder of fact. Based on its findings of fact and conclusion of law in the N.A.A.C.P. v. Acusport, Inc, the Court has already concluded that Adventure Outdoors has contributed to firearms-related public nuisance in New York City and a trial would accordingly be a mere expensive formality.

Adventure Outdoors was brought to trial in the fine City of New York under the pretence the Court has jurisdiction over a law abiding firearms retailer almost a thousand miles away. I am expected to allow the Mayor whom I have no vote to place a “special master” in my store and tell me how to run my business. The Court has prohibited the Mayor from testifying. He is the very person who is responsible for this litigation and he is not allowed to testify. Is the Mayor not able to speak in support of his decisions? The Court has allowed the City to remove the mention of the Second Amendment. The last thing the Court has done to me is by saying Cecilia and I will not be allowed to sit together along side our attorney.

Who could continue in this court under these circumstances? In every sense of the word justice is not being served for Adventure Outdoors, my family, the citizens of Georgia or even the citizens of New York City. Therefore I decided to no longer continue to fight in the District Court of the Eastern District of New York under such unfair conditions.

I will take my fight to the Appellate Court of New York and use my efforts there were I can have a fair chance. Do not deduct by our leaving this arena that we are giving up or feel the City is justified in any way of their actions, far from it. I am avoiding an ambush by those who feel justice is best served by those with an agenda rather than the word of law. Adventure Outdoors will fight another day and looks forward to returning under the jurisdiction of the New York Appellate Court.

I will post more tomorrow on how the City is spinning my decision to default..."


17 posted on 06/03/2008 8:18:32 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: BloodOrFreedom
confusing parts in this story...judge allows a bench trial 2 weeks ago, yet
"The attorneys for the two sides in City of New York v. A-1 Jewelry and Pawn, 06-cv-2238, originally expecting to wrap up jury selection

are these 2 different cases represented by the same attorney ?
20 posted on 06/03/2008 8:25:29 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: BloodOrFreedom

Henry Bowman you lazy bum, where are you?


23 posted on 06/03/2008 11:57:33 PM PDT by wastedyears (Like a bat outta Hell.)
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To: BloodOrFreedom
"In those deals, the defendants agreed to allow a special master oversee their operations, to refrain from selling firearms to either straw purchasers or people posing as straw purchasers and to subject themselves to additional penalties if found in violation of state or federal laws."

And how exactly is the gun dealer supposed to identify the straw purchaser? If there are two people in the store and one is giving advice to the person purchasing, are we to assume that the buyer is a straw purchaser? This is ridiculous! How about the attorneys down in Georgia arrest the undercover new york agents making illegal straw purchases?
24 posted on 06/04/2008 5:28:08 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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25 posted on 06/04/2008 5:59:33 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: BloodOrFreedom

Like Weinstein? If Obama wins we will have several hundred more on our courts.


27 posted on 06/04/2008 6:53:47 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: BloodOrFreedom
US Constitution, Article 3, Section 2:
The Trial of all Crimes shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed;
Can someone explain how ANY of this "public nuisance" proceeding is constitutional?
28 posted on 06/04/2008 7:02:12 AM PDT by bvw
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To: BloodOrFreedom
the individual states have complete discretionary power in their interpretation and execution of the 2nd amendment

Art 6. Para 2.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The courts are committing a serious violation of their office. Highly impeachable in any sane society.

Not that I think this deranged animal we call "society" these days is in any way healthy or sane.

30 posted on 06/04/2008 7:59:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: All

LEGAL NOTE TO ALL: NYC did not prevail on the MERITS it prevailed because the Defendant folded in the face of withering court expense. IOW a deep pocket attack. (see also SLAP suits)


42 posted on 06/04/2008 11:02:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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