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Vets' intentions were shattered in wartime horrors (Barf Alert!)
Seattle P-I ^ | June 1, 2008 | Lisa Stiffler

Posted on 06/02/2008 11:17:43 AM PDT by jazusamo

One former soldier recounted an interrogation of an Iraqi by his fellow combatants so brutal he likened it to "a frat house gang rape."

Another was still troubled not by his close brushes with death, but by the times he nearly shot innocent Iraqi civilians.

And a third was exasperated and puzzled by being asked to fulfill what he called "ridiculous" orders to harass Iraqi residents and was discouraged from helping those in distress.

He called the war "immoral and absurd."

All came together Saturday afternoon at Seattle's Town Hall to share their troubling and sometimes graphic war stories in the hopes that they will inspire and motivate a largely silent public to call for an end to the military occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

In a counterpoint to calls to continue the occupation, nearly a dozen U.S. soldiers, a military wife, the mother of a soldier and a doctor treating veterans with psychiatric problems told their anti-war stories to a respectful audience that filled the hall.

Former Army Sgt. Joshua Simpson served in Mosul with an intelligence team trying to get information about insurgent forces attacking Americans.

"Ninety-five percent of the people we arrested had nothing to do with the insurgency, but we were still told to interrogate them," Simpson told the crowd.

He'd scream and yell at the prisoners, sometimes reducing them to tears or self-abuse such as hitting their heads repeatedly against the wall. He saw prisoners horribly bruised and bloodied by Iraqi interrogators. He wants the war to end.

"We need to support the troops who refuse to fight," Simpson said.

The event was organized by the nonprofit Iraq Veterans Against the War, which is working for an immediate end to the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, the payment of reparations to the Iraqi and Afghan people for harm caused in the wars, and full funding for the Veterans Health Administration to better provide medical care for returning veterans.

There didn't appear to be any counterprotesters at Saturday's Town Hall event, which was called Northwest Winter Soldier. It was modeled on the first Winter Soldier protest held in 1971 in opposition to the Vietnam War and also organized by veterans.

After the speakers finished, a march was scheduled through downtown.

The soldiers called on U.S. lawmakers to cut funding and force the Bush administration to stop what they saw as an unjust, unwarranted war.

"The longer we're over there," said Joshua Farris, a former Army specialist in Iraq, "the more it will inflame the violence when we leave."

Many said they went to Iraq hoping to help civilians, but found that often wasn't the case. U.S. troops frequently referred to all Iraqis and Middle Easterners as "hajji," an ethnic slur. In medical units, they became "range balls," meaning they were like the golf balls hit on driving ranges that are of low value and that you don't mind losing.

The veterans called for better medical support for returning soldiers, saying they'd see friends suffering from untreated post-traumatic stress, leading to suicide, domestic violence and divorce.

"Where is our government when they need them the most?" asked Tracy Malzan, who spoke along with her husband, Seth, who served as an Army sergeant. "We must talk about these issues every day ... until every service member comes home."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: antiwaractivists; washington; wintersoldier; wot
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Ms. Stiffler starts right out by quoting a soldier likening an incident to "a frat house gang rape."

One former soldier recounted an interrogation of an Iraqi by his fellow combatants so brutal he likened it to "a frat house gang rape."

I can't help but think the referrence was to the alleged "Duke" rape case and that was a phony just as I suspect most of these stories are. I believe Lisa Stiffler is the typical leftist Seattle journalist.

1 posted on 06/02/2008 11:17:45 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Winter soldiers in June?


2 posted on 06/02/2008 11:19:34 AM PDT by Pete (I'm Brian Fellows!)
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To: jazusamo

The modern John Kerrys. The worst kind of feces.


3 posted on 06/02/2008 11:21:38 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jazusamo
Lisa Stiffler sounds like some liberal Seattle homosexual cross-dresser.
4 posted on 06/02/2008 11:23:34 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: sionnsar; freema; smoothsailing; Just A Nobody; RedRover; george76

Northwest Winter Soldier Ping!


5 posted on 06/02/2008 11:27:47 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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"The soldiers called on U.S. lawmakers to cut funding and force the Bush administration to stop what they saw as an unjust, unwarranted war."

Ingrate! They are protesting the war and protesting the US government's actions, just as the Iraqis are getting to do the same after decades of brutal oppression. And they call Iraqi liberties unjust?

6 posted on 06/02/2008 11:29:26 AM PDT by avacado
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To: pissant

You nailed it, pissant.


7 posted on 06/02/2008 11:29:32 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

They found a small handfull of pansies and act like this is the way it is. What a crock, echoes of jenjis khan.


8 posted on 06/02/2008 11:32:07 AM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: jazusamo

I was an RTO with a MACV Advisory Team assigned to ROK’s for a short period. This Boy would would have gone cationic if he had witnessed their field interrogations.


9 posted on 06/02/2008 11:32:27 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: avacado

Neither the author or these lowlifes let the facts get in the way of what’s really happening in Iraq.


10 posted on 06/02/2008 11:34:06 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

In several hundred thousand people you will always be able to find a few whiners or those willing to turn against their fellows and thier copuntry....


11 posted on 06/02/2008 11:34:36 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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To: jazusamo

Bravo Sierra. In other words this is pure Bovine Scat.


12 posted on 06/02/2008 11:34:46 AM PDT by Natural Law
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In a counterpoint to calls to continue the occupation

Nope. No journalistic bias here.

}:-)4

13 posted on 06/02/2008 11:38:44 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: Little Bill

I’m sure you would have like the overwhelming majority of our people would, this is BS, IMO.


14 posted on 06/02/2008 11:42:19 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
Yeah, I immediately thought of the Duke lynching, too. NOT the way he did, though.

Since the "reporter" is utterly sympathetic to these lowlifes, I wonder if she bothered to check out their credentials to see if they actually served, and (if so) if they were actually shoveling $#!+ in Louisiana rather than in-country.

The list of liberal anti-war "soldiers" who exaggerated or fabricated their supposed military service is QUITE long.

15 posted on 06/02/2008 11:45:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: jazusamo
I suppose it is a lot less painful these days for the news media to seek out and publish the fabled ruminations of dissident Kerryesque soldiers than it is to publish the actual news from Iraq, insofar as we are winning the war. The media are so thoroughly invested in American defeat and disgrace that one wonders whether if every last al-Qaeda "insurgent" were killed, our intrepid reporters would volunteer to carry on the fight themselves, if only to avoid having to admit victory or deny defeat.
16 posted on 06/02/2008 11:45:23 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace Is Not The Question.)
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To: jazusamo

“We shouted at them and beat them and starved them, looking for the tiniest bit of intelligence. And they still said, “Seat both delegations, but give them only half a vote per delegate!”


17 posted on 06/02/2008 11:49:46 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: jazusamo

I wonder if as many of these guys are frauds as were the “winter soldier” ringleaders.


18 posted on 06/02/2008 11:51:51 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: jazusamo
That is why I posted. I think that they drag out these kids who have never had a realistic view of how the world works until they went in to the Military.

How many kids today have been a real brawl? It was common when I was a kid, the physical brawl is that what prepares you for the bun fights when you become a man.

19 posted on 06/02/2008 11:52:52 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: jazusamo

“Seattle’s Town Hall”

Need I say more?


20 posted on 06/02/2008 11:56:48 AM PDT by mandingo republican (Libs are Moloch worshipers I tell ya! - FREE HK, CUBA & IRAN - SATAN was the first liberal!)
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