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Authorities unsettled as town deals with rising child felons
Pantagraph.com ^ | June 2, 2008 | Todd Lewan - A.P.

Posted on 06/02/2008 6:32:11 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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1 posted on 06/02/2008 6:32:16 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Right.


Give us your money.

We have very important programs to implement, even though time and experience have shown that none of our programs do what they were intended to do or have any lasting effect.

We want your money.

Give us your money.

When the taxes are raised, and money is apportioned for our pet programs, we will come to get your money.

If you refuse to comply, we will use force and punish you.

If you resist, we will kill you.


Sounds like extortion to me.

Great example for the “kids” they are trying to save from lives of crime.


2 posted on 06/02/2008 6:41:48 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Graybeard58

How to stop it?

How about cutting off all public aid to the single parent after the third arrest?


3 posted on 06/02/2008 6:42:24 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Graybeard58
spend more money and get more juvenile crime - fact!!

put in new codes to make parent or parents equally responsible for the crime. If the kid goes to detention, so does the responsible parent. Crime will go down - guaranteed.

any money spent should be on faith based family counseling for those who volunteer for it.

4 posted on 06/02/2008 6:43:44 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: Graybeard58

Lock up the parents for a few months and take away their welfaew checks and food stamps. That will get their attention. Anytime an 8-year-old has committed a crime it is a clear case of child neglect by the parent. These kids are not being “raised,” they are being kept as pets. Why should we be surprised that they act like animals?


5 posted on 06/02/2008 6:44:28 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Another non-bitter Pennsylvanian)
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“It’s painful to know,” Hallmon says, “that you know what will work to keep kids from becoming criminals, but that you can’t get the money to make it work.”

_!@@!!@!

It doesn’t take money to crack that @ss!


6 posted on 06/02/2008 6:45:29 AM PDT by poobear (tagline is on a coffee break!)
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To: Graybeard58
How about ridding the states no fault divorce laws. Quit the welfare; women get pregnant to have more kids and ride the system; then their kids do the same. Johnson's great society broke up the family as much as feminism has. Look at our elections: Voters like freebies, whoever offers or promises gets the votes and the single parent, don't care how I get kids continues to grow. The author notes the tax base in his piece,(throw money) that will not make any difference as the past has taught us.
7 posted on 06/02/2008 6:45:38 AM PDT by captnorb
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To: Graybeard58

The liberal mindset is to say that poverty is the cause of an uncivilized populace.

Truth is, an uncivilized populace is the cause of poverty.


8 posted on 06/02/2008 6:47:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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"{Would programs to modify the behavior of kids as young as 5 help? Or would taxpayers dismiss that as just more nanny government, especially at a time of economic slowdown, when local and state governments are desperate to cut spending?"

When government replaces God, we can expect to see the moral disintegration exemplified in this story. What is particularly frustrating is that the same people who are responsible for the policies that birthed this problem now tell us that even more government is the solution. Especially given their "solution" would only make matters exponentially worse. Adding insult to injury, they try to guilt and threaten tax payers into funding even more of these destructive programs.

9 posted on 06/02/2008 6:48:07 AM PDT by Pete (I'm Brian Fellows!)
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Williams thinks it’s largely cultural: “We do a lot of mentoring here. I like to mold my youngsters, push them to the limit. I think that makes a lot of the parents around here uncomfortable.”

“It’s painful to know,” Hallmon says, “that you know what will work to keep kids from becoming criminals, but that you can’t get the money to make it work.

Doesn't sound like it's a question of money, does it?

10 posted on 06/02/2008 6:49:10 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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And this city has yawning demographic disparities: In Daytona Beach, where a third of the population is African-American and half is white, 8 of 10 children arrested in 2005-06 were black; just 16 percent were white, according to the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice.

Are we watching an unfolding cultural and moral collapse? What will happen if the power ever goes out for a prolonged people, when even children are turning feral during normal times?

11 posted on 06/02/2008 6:53:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Westbrook

Whenever there is an implied threat of imprisonment or bodily harm for refusing to give money to any entity it IS extortion. When opposing a state income tax in Tennessee several years ago, I would ask pro-tax people why they wanted to give the state the power to kill someone who refused to pay their taxes and refused to surrender meekly to go to jail they would look at me like they didn’t understand.


12 posted on 06/02/2008 7:17:04 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: BenLurkin

Social elitist idiots who apologize for uncivilized people who commit crime are the problem.


13 posted on 06/02/2008 7:21:38 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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And this city has yawning demographic disparities: In Daytona Beach, where a third of the population is African-American and half is white, 8 of 10 children arrested in 2005-06 were black; just 16 percent were white, according to the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice.

Obviously racism in action; they don't arrest enough white kids! < /sarc >

14 posted on 06/02/2008 7:39:16 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: Graybeard58

In Christianity there is a general idea known as “the age of accountibility”. The idea is that children to a certain age don’t have the ability to understand what acceptance of God’s grace through Jesus is.

In Western culture there is a general idea known as “the age of consent”. The idea is that chidren to a certain age don’t have the ability to understand the implications and ramifications of sexual activity.

Might I suggest that we establish, in law, a general idea known as “the age of independent action”. The idea is that children to a certain age don’t have the ability to understand the ethical and moral decisions needed to decide to commit a crime or not.

If this is established, let’s say legally at the age of 12, then until the age of 12 the parent or legal guardian of such a child criminal will be held accountable for any crime the child committed.


15 posted on 06/02/2008 7:40:27 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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Dan Mears, an associate professor at Florida State University’s College of Criminology and Criminal Justice.

Jeez, FSU has a CRIMINOLOGY COLLEGE? I guess that's where the Football team goes after the season to learn about crime. :-)

And this city has yawning demographic disparities: In Daytona Beach, where a third of the population is African-American and half is white, 8 of 10 children arrested in 2005-06 were black; just 16 percent were white, according to the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice.

80% of the kids ARRESTED were black? Did it occur that maybe the white parents had their kids busy? (New Smyrna has a popular 1/4 Midget track, so I bet most of the parents are helping kids with that). I bet those kids are seeing their 'parents' doing crime - so they just try the 'family business'.

In physical terms, Williams’ workplace is modest: A one-story structure of graffitied brick that a decade ago served as a low-income housing project. This club has no basketball court, no pool, no soccer field, not even a flag for its flagpole — just a faded sign hung crookedly in a barred window: “Safe Place.”

I think that Boys & Girls club in Daytona needs a new place. No, baskeball court? I hope someone will help them out!

And yet, he says, only a handful of the poorest families in the surrounding projects send their kids to the Palmetto club. Why?

Williams thinks it’s largely cultural: “We do a lot of mentoring here. I like to mold my youngsters, push them to the limit. I think that makes a lot of the parents around here uncomfortable.”

Sullivan understands that. Still, he might be able to attract more children from the neighboring projects by adding an outdoor playground. “You need to have things for the bigger kids to do. They won’t just sit indoors.”

Then, reality sets in: This is going to be a hard year. Private donations have shrunken in the slowing economy; government dollars are getting scarcer. Consequently, the Boys & Girls Club will shutter two facilities in the county, spreading kids among its remaining clubs, Sullivan says.

Thank you DEMS... you are sticking it to the POOR again!! Dems why not support the tax cuts - so us 'whiteys conservatives' can help the poor by donating $$$. Yes, I know you liberals hate to part with your $$$, but conservatives donate to charaties.

16 posted on 06/02/2008 7:52:26 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter CominHg Soon - a new CONSERVATIVE PARTY --- www.falconparty.com)
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What percentage of the kids arrested live under the poverty level? I bet it is about 80%


17 posted on 06/02/2008 7:56:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Graybeard58

Norm Kenaiou, a veteran cop, caught one burglar struggling to hop a chain-link fence. The shock came when he spun his suspect around and saw two, doe-like eyes blinking back at him: the eyes of a terrified, 8-year-old girl.

Should he read the child her Miranda rights? Handcuff her? Is she a criminal? Is she committing a criminal offense? Yes to both.
Then, Yes handcuff her.
If she is old enough and capable enough to burglarize a school she is old enough and capable enough to stab you in the back when you transport her uncuffed.


18 posted on 06/02/2008 7:58:37 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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Funny how you have to read 3/4 of the way through the article and see dozens of statistics on age and income and this and that, before you get to the one sentence about the ethnic or racial makeup of the criminals......


19 posted on 06/02/2008 8:02:27 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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To: Graybeard58

This is what happens when you take the Ten Commandments out of School and Society. Why are we surprised?


20 posted on 06/02/2008 8:34:17 AM PDT by Hildy
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