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Christian preachers face arrest in Birmingham
UK Telegraph ^ | June 01 2008 | David Harrison

Posted on 06/01/2008 9:28:39 AM PDT by knighthawk

A police community support officer ordered two Christian preachers to stop handing out gospel leaflets in a predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham.

The evangelists say they were threatened with arrest for committing a "hate crime" and were told they risked being beaten up if they returned. The incident will fuel fears that "no-go areas" for Christians are emerging in British towns and cities, as the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, claimed in The Sunday Telegraph this year.

Arthur Cunningham, 48, and Joseph Abraham, 65, both full-time evangelical ministers, have launched legal action against West Midlands Police, claiming the officer infringed their right to profess their religion.

Mr Abraham said: "I couldn't believe this was happening in Britain. The Bishop of Rochester was criticised by the Church of England recently when he said there were no-go areas in Britain but he was right; there are certainly no-go areas for Christians who want to share the gospel."

Last night, Christian campaigners described the officer's behaviour as "deeply alarming".

The preachers, both ministers in Birmingham, were handing out leaflets on Alum Rock Road in February when they started talking to four Asian youths.

A police community support officer (PCSO) interrupted the conversation and began questioning the ministers about their beliefs.

They said when the officer realised they were American, although both have lived in Britain for many years, he launched a tirade against President Bush and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr Cunningham said: "I told him that this had nothing to do with the gospel we were preaching but he became very aggressive.

"He said we were in a Muslim area and were not allowed to spread our Christian message. He said we were committing a hate crime by telling the youths to leave Islam and said that he was going to take us to the police station."

The preacher refused to give the PCSO his address because he felt the officer's manner was "threatening and intimidating".

The ministers claim he also advised them not to return to the area. As he walked away, the PCSO said: "You have been warned. If you come back here and get beaten up, well you have been warned".

West Midlands Police, who refused to apologise, said the incident had been "fully investigated" and the officer would be given training in understanding hate crime and communication.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: americaalone; christophobia; dhimmitude; enemywithin; eurabia; europe; europeanchristians; hatecrime; infiltration; islam; mindcrime; thoughtcrime; uk; ukmuslims
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"and the officer would be given training in understanding hate crime and communication"

If the officer was not a muslim but a Christian he would have been fired on the spot. And the police would have been apologizing on their knees.

1 posted on 06/01/2008 9:28:39 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; Publius6961; ...
Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

2 posted on 06/01/2008 9:29:07 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

I guess it’s now official. Brittian considers the Gospel to be hate speech.


3 posted on 06/01/2008 9:31:17 AM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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To: knighthawk

I have nothing against Islam, but Islam has everything against Christianity. If Islamics want to live in the West, they will play by the West’s rules.


4 posted on 06/01/2008 9:33:49 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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"He said we were in a Muslim area and were not allowed to spread our Christian message. He said we were committing a hate crime by telling the youths to leave Islam and said that he was going to take us to the police station."

So providing someone with information that leads to eternal life is hateful?

5 posted on 06/01/2008 9:38:17 AM PDT by highlander_UW (illegal alien is to an undocumented worker as a drug dealer is to an unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: popdonnelly

That’s the problem - the moslems ARE learning to play by our rules - and to use our rules against us -

witness the footwashing stations springing up (quietly) across our country, in airports and on college campuses - see the American tax dollars going to support totally MOSLEM schools - and when teachers have the gall to report it, nothing is done -

see the Ten COmmandments, crosses, all CHristian symbols being removed from the public, while moslem symbols, behaviors and dress are celebrated in public - in our schools and on the streets.

If we don’t believe that we will be ‘cared for’ in hospitals and nursing homes by robed moslems, we are not paying attention -

I don’t know about anyone else but I am terrified of what is going on in our own country AND other countries.


6 posted on 06/01/2008 9:43:17 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: knighthawk

7 posted on 06/01/2008 9:45:53 AM PDT by magellan
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To: SusaninOhio
witness the footwashing stations springing up (quietly) across our country

Funny, I've always used them as urinals.

8 posted on 06/01/2008 9:46:27 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: knighthawk

There is a tremendous rage developing in Britain to chronic police misbehavior, this atrocity being only one small example.


9 posted on 06/01/2008 9:47:59 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: SusaninOhio

Yes. They are using our rules against us - at the same time, they have the nicely stacked liberal courts in their favor, not to mention public opinion. Logic and reason are useless - the libs “feel” like one religion is the same as another.


10 posted on 06/01/2008 9:57:33 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: SusaninOhio
witness the footwashing stations springing up (quietly) across our country, in airports and on college campuses - see the American tax dollars going to support totally MOSLEM schools - and when teachers have the gall to report it, nothing is done -

If we asked for holy water fonts in these same places, there would be an outcry for separation of church and state. . . . . .

11 posted on 06/01/2008 10:06:33 AM PDT by mia
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To: FormerACLUmember

It wasn’t a police officer, it was a Police Community Support Officer (PCSO). Generally speaking, these roles are fulfilled by people who haven’t got what it takes to be an actual police officer.....


12 posted on 06/01/2008 10:07:45 AM PDT by thundrey
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To: knighthawk

England has become a country of spineless appeasers.

Never again will I make fun of France.


13 posted on 06/01/2008 10:12:25 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the girly-man population. Have the McCainiacs spayed or neutered.)
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It wasn’t a police officer, it was a Police Community Support Officer (PCSO). Generally speaking, these roles are fulfilled by people who haven’t got what it takes to be an actual police officer.....

They are also handed out as plum jobs to members of favored minority groups, so the police forces can prove their loyalty to the diversity commissars. The recipients tend to be among the more militant and outspoken members of their communities. It's quite likely this "police officer" is a committed Muslim activist in real life, maybe even an imam.

-ccm

14 posted on 06/01/2008 10:14:50 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: popdonnelly

” If Islamics want to live in the West, they will play by the West’s rules.”

Apparently not, not so long as we have scumbag quisling police and gov’t officials.


15 posted on 06/01/2008 10:22:47 AM PDT by Levante
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To: knighthawk

Welcome to the Dhimmihood.


16 posted on 06/01/2008 10:24:40 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: popdonnelly

>If Islamics want to live in the West, they will play by the West’s rules.<

Sorry, but you are living in Dreamland. The Muslims are going to take over the West. Furthermore the West will help them do it. After all they are a minority and they do deserve protection from the majority Christians.


17 posted on 06/01/2008 10:24:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: ccmay

I would bet this “police officer” is a committed Muslim activist in real life. Having a Christian in that position would breed distrust in the rugrider community and we can’t have that, can we?


18 posted on 06/01/2008 10:27:03 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: SusaninOhio

Follow the money. All my respect. Thank you, folks over the Pond. We have it here, as well.


19 posted on 06/01/2008 10:30:37 AM PDT by airforceF4
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“If we asked for holy water fonts in these same places..”

Please no casting of pearls before swine.


20 posted on 06/01/2008 10:49:44 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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