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Mexico: the danger of 'drug ballads' (Popular musicians being murdered; Descriptions warning)
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | June 1, 2008 | Ioan Grillo

Posted on 05/31/2008 11:00:14 PM PDT by Stoat

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'The thing that can be hard for foreigners to understand is the pride that some Sinaloans have in being at the head of organised crime,' said Elmer Mendoza, an author from Culiacan. 'Mothers can be proud that their sons have become gangsters, even if this leads to death, as it is a way that they have made something of themselves.'

Sounds similar to another loser 'culture', the Palestinian terrorists.

1 posted on 05/31/2008 11:00:15 PM PDT by Stoat
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I don't speak or read Spanish, but it 'appears' that at least some of these videos are from the first group mentioned in the article, "Banda Guasavena"....the name of the singer is included in the YouTube descriptions of some of these clips

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

And several of these appear to be from the group "K-Paz de la Sierra"

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

2 posted on 05/31/2008 11:38:22 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
I have come around to believing that "building the fence" will create a Gaza strip with a population of 100 million.

We need to conquer Mexico (again) and sort it out. Maybe move the border to the Veracruz-Acapulco line (more defensible, fewer people on the other side).

Mexico is a huge problem, much bigger than most seem to realize - and we have no Mexico policy.

3 posted on 05/31/2008 11:45:16 PM PDT by Jim Noble (May 17 was my Tenth Anniversary on FR)
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To: Stoat
Since January, more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones.

Dwarfing the worst violence in Iraq, though you'd never know it from watching the network news.

4 posted on 05/31/2008 11:46:57 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: Stoat

already happening in us

southwest phx, bodies of “mexican nationals” being
found dumped in vacant lots, killed execution style

drugs and smuggling (illegals) involved

and this is what many in congress want? but not in their neighborhood


5 posted on 05/31/2008 11:48:55 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: Jim Noble
I have come around to believing that "building the fence" will create a Gaza strip with a population of 100 million.

I wonder how long it will be before residents of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico start having rockets with Venezuelan, Iranian and Syrian markings landing in their swimming pools?

We need to conquer Mexico (again) and sort it out. Maybe move the border to the Veracruz-Acapulco line (more defensible, fewer people on the other side).

I shudder at the thought of having even MORE angry Mexicans on our side of the border, though.....

Mexico is a huge problem, much bigger than most seem to realize - and we have no Mexico policy.

Since most governments operate reactively, I suppose it will require a rather messy disaster of some sort before an effective Mexico policy is implemented.

6 posted on 05/31/2008 11:57:24 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: denydenydeny
Since January, more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones.

Dwarfing the worst violence in Iraq, though you'd never know it from watching the network news.
 

Excellent point.


7 posted on 05/31/2008 11:59:45 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: machogirl
already happening in us

southwest phx, bodies of “mexican nationals” being
found dumped in vacant lots, killed execution style

drugs and smuggling (illegals) involved

and this is what many in congress want? but not in their neighborhood

I suppose that as long as it happens in what the Left derisively calls "flyover country" then it doesn't really get onto their radar screens.....

8 posted on 06/01/2008 12:01:55 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: kellynla

ping


9 posted on 06/01/2008 12:49:38 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: Stoat

None of this would be happening if it weren’t for the seemingly bottomless American demand for drugs.


10 posted on 06/01/2008 4:12:19 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: machogirl

The kidnappings are what I find particularly unsettling, and there is very little mention of this in the MSM.


11 posted on 06/01/2008 4:40:47 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Stoat
Mexico is a huge problem, much bigger than most seem to realize - and we have no Mexico policy.

Where have you been? Of course we have a policy. 100% of the politicians in the democrat party along with several republicans including John McCain have lectured us on how are nation would completely fall apart if we didn't have Mexico's rural poor who are mostly illiterate indians running around our country at will. They are doing all the $5 per hour jobs that come with no benefits that Americans refuse to do. How else can that landscaping company owner from NJ who employs illegals afford to buy a home in Mendham or Livingston? Or what about the construction company owner from Charlotte, NC who needs to add a 9th bedroom and 5th bathroom onto his own Mcmansion going to get the cash from for this project? If he/she paid a decent salary along with benefits to an American citizen he/she would be stuck with only 8 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms for their castle. The NJ landscaping company owner would be stuck with the indignity of residing in Wayne or Roselle Park or may have to save money for a couple more years before the move up to a “better community.”

Remember its not amnesty because well, McCain and others say so. “Damn it we are going to make them pay a $5000 fine.” Who would have ever thought that US citizenship would become so cheap.

Don't forget that the power structure in Mexico are the descendent's of Spanish conquistadors. For the most part they hate the indians and the mestizos. The more that leave Mexico the better. Just make sure you send back to Mexico most of the money you earn in Yankeetown gringoville USA.

12 posted on 06/01/2008 5:07:54 AM PDT by saneright
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There are plenty of reports of gang violence south of the border. You don't hear so much about Americans at the Border. Too bad.

Americans are regularly abused. According to this article entitled US Warns Tourists of 'Small-Unit Combat' at Mexico Border -- Murder and kidnapping of Americans has become routine all along the US Mexican border. According to the State Department sometimes heavily armed attackers wear the uniforms of the Mexican police or military.

If there is silence about events at the border. The silence about killings north of the border is deafening. And yet....

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says Think about it. A man or woman killed in Iraq or Iran in the line of duty is a hero. But what is an American killed at home by an illegal alien because the government has failed in its sworn duty to guard the borders. This is a pact between the sovereign and the person has paid taxes and loyalty. The answer is to that question is pretty awful. And it bodes ill for the republic.

But is it true?

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans--but by no means all -- being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Why isn't there an outcry in the black community? Beats me.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. If you check the links you'll notice that its McCain who cites Chertoff. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower. Sadly, so many small towns and villages across America have sent their warriors off to war half way across the world only to see communities fill up with illegal aliens.


13 posted on 06/01/2008 5:40:41 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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They also have access to the biggest handgun market in the world, buying the latest machine guns and automatic pistols in American stores

Bullsh!t.

You can't by machine guns and automatic pistols in American stores. You can, however, easily buy them in the criminal black market - in almost any country in the world, including Mexico. All you need is money and the narcos have plenty of that.

14 posted on 06/01/2008 5:51:00 AM PDT by Gritty (We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election - senior Hamas official)
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To: Stoat

They were one the charts at number nine with a bullet !


15 posted on 06/01/2008 6:32:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Stoat
These (cough) people have no values - period. Just a culture of death and depravity who murder and rape on a whim. They're currently a bigger threat to the USA than any Muslims. So forgot any 'fence'. Build A WALL, A HIGH Wall - with Machine Guns every 50 yards and a minefield on the Mexican side.
16 posted on 06/01/2008 7:30:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: jalisco555
None of this would be happening if it weren’t for the seemingly bottomless American demand for drugs.

And for that reason it appears that a physical barrier coupled with a fully militarized Southern border is going to be the only effective solution, short of a complete change in the Mexican government, from a haven of corruption to one that is more aligned with the mutual long-term interests of our two countries.

17 posted on 06/01/2008 8:02:38 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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its not amnesty because well, McCain and others say so.

Although he may well end up winning the upcoming election ( I just can't bring myself to believe that America would actually elect an anti-American Marxist like Hussein-Obama) McCain will have A LOT of work to do if he has any interest whatsoever in gaining Conservative support.  At this point I'm thinking that he doesn't really care.

18 posted on 06/01/2008 8:07:20 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
He was abducted after a concert and tortured for two days, his genitals being burnt with a blowtorch, before he was strangled with a plastic cord.

Signs that it's time to stick to "Show Tunes..."

19 posted on 06/01/2008 8:09:20 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

All great and essential information; thanks very much for posting.

An additional "benefit" of our "visitors" from Mexico is a tremendous wave of disease and pestilence.  TB is rampant in this population, and so there are innumerable "hidden" costs to the already breathtaking figures that you so very kindly cite.

We are under attack from every front, yet so very few Americans appear willing to even acknowledge it.

20 posted on 06/01/2008 8:13:18 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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