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Ford says ‘shut up’ ad was a mistake, but dealer stands behind it (non-Christians offended)
The Bakersfield Californian ^ | 5/30/08 | Gretchen Wenner

Posted on 05/31/2008 7:52:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Sit down and shut up?

Easier said than done, a Kern car dealer and the Oklahoma writer of the company’s controversial radio ad are finding.

The spots have already finished a three-month run in eastern Kern and the Antelope Valley, but renewed interest prompted even the Ford Motor Co. to weigh in Wednesday.

Kieffe & Sons Ford’s ads suggesting Christians “just tell the other 14 percent to sit down and shut up” had been Internet fodder for months, blog posts indicate.

In recent days the topic suddenly resurfaced, said Tehachapi resident Dave Salyers. Numerous e-mails with the ad attached popped up again seemingly out of the blue.

On Wednesday, Salyers dropped an electronic note to the automaker.

“Is this the image that Ford wishes to present — that it willingly discriminates against nonreligious people in the United States?” Salyers wrote.

He got a reply the same day from Christie — no last name given — in Ford’s customer relationship center.

“Our investigation has determined that the advertising was placed in error,” Christie’s e-mail said. “Corrective actions have been taken to prevent this from happening again.” Ford spokesman Mark Truby confirmed in an e-mail Christie’s response was “legitimate.”

Truby did not immediately respond to questions about what actions had been taken or how the ad was placed in error.

NO OFFENSE

Rick Kieffe, president of Kieffe & Sons Ford, said he didn’t regret the ad but was sorry if it had offended anyone.

“I don’t regret the sentiment at all,” said Kieffe, who bought the 48-year-old dealership from his father in 1974. “It’s what we believe.”

Kieffe & Sons has sites in Mojave and Rosamond.

The dealer’s Web site Thursday bore a statement about the ad that included an apology “to all who were offended.”

Kieffe said he’d been contacted by Ford Motor Co. after the manufacturer heard complaints from numerous “blog-lo-dites.”

The company asked him to post something saying he was sorry if he’d offended anyone, Kieffe said.

When asked whether he’ll use longtime ad man J.W. Horne of Oklahoma for future promos, Kieffe didn’t hesitate.

“Without question,” Kieffe said. “He’s a middle-America person.”

NERVE CENTER

Horne, meanwhile, said it was “very unfortunate some were offended” by the spot.

“Our intentions are good,” Horne said in a phone interview.

But, he added, “the truth is the truth.”

On his blog at jwhorne2.blogspot.com, Horne seemed to relish his moment in the limelight.

“... Isn’t it just too bad that so many people got their feelings hurt over one little ole sixty second radio commercial,” Horne wrote Thursday. “... The backlash from some of those self-styled unbelievers is the point I was making about why some people should be told to sit down and shut up.”

NO HELP

Salyers, the Tehachapi resident, said he was disappointed the controversy was back because reaction from extremists on both sides had made the discussion “not helpful.”

A meeting of free thinkers already scheduled Thursday night in Lancaster would now be “hijacked” by the issue, he said.

Navigating Kern’s conservative culture is hard for those without church ties, he said.

“I would feel uncomfortable saying I was nonreligious in certain areas of Kern County,” Salyers said, “because often they are treated differently.”

The Kieffe & Sons ad has ramped up useless and divisive rhetoric, he said.

“This illustrates the climate that people are afraid of,” he said.


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KEYWORDS: ads; christians; ford; fordmotor; nonchristians; offended; shutup
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To: LibWhacker
Now, since we all know that 86 out of every 100 of us are Christians who believe in God, we at Kieffe and Sons Ford wonder why we don’t just tell the other 14 percent to sit down and shut up.

Because this is America and the majority doesn't have the right to shut up those who disagree. Mr Kieffe is free to move to Saudi Arabia if he doesn't like those pesky liberties we have over here.

Smart businessman, though - he got his little dealership far more publicity through this bit of irrelevant obnoxiousness than he would have from 5 years worth of ads.


21 posted on 05/31/2008 9:23:07 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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22 posted on 05/31/2008 9:31:03 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: Syncro
OK, try this one.
23 posted on 05/31/2008 9:32:08 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: Syncro
No more “In God We Trust”

Wrong. Its on the coin.

24 posted on 05/31/2008 9:36:42 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Syncro

Um... yes, they do say “In God We Trust” - in much bigger characters than ever before on modern coinage.

Look at the edge.


25 posted on 05/31/2008 9:45:37 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: LibWhacker

I think I like Kern County, and I’ve never been near there!

And I think I’d consider buying a car from Kieffe Ford!


26 posted on 05/31/2008 9:55:56 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Redbob

i think that Jack Bauer would buy his for from Kieffer Ford !!


27 posted on 05/31/2008 10:00:35 PM PDT by Beamreach (what is truth, Jesus Christ is truth and from truth flows right and wrong)
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To: Last Dakotan
"I have regularly been offended by Ford ads, especially the one where the divorced Dad gets a ride with his ex-wife and kids and afterwards has to thank her. Enough feminist empowerment to make me puke."

If you think the adverts are bad, you should try WORKING at Ford - the place positively reeks of every sort of diversity drivel you could imagine.

If I were to post some of their internal memos, the kinda stuff HR blankets the desktops with, you'd think I was pulling it off The Onion...

Company useta require engineers, etc., to get X number of "diversity credits" annually - credits you could get from activities like "taking part in a 'gay pride' parade" or attending lectures about how bad men are by professional feminazis from the U. of Michigan.

They promote engineers now based on their diversity cred - and Alan Mulally wonders why the products suck!

28 posted on 05/31/2008 10:04:28 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: SouthTexas

As we said, they took it off. Placing it on the side is as good as taking it off; and hopefully; they will return it in the near future. I am not holding my breath with a bunch liars, though.


29 posted on 05/31/2008 11:48:17 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Syncro

Thanks for this information. I have some that I use as emergency money (can’t get wet, can withstand certain amt of heat from fire, etc.), but Monday they will all be exchanged for Susan B. Anthony coins (or paper money and I will slowly collect the Susans).


30 posted on 06/01/2008 1:09:54 AM PDT by backslacker (Thou shall worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. --Luke 4:8b)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Because this is America and the majority doesn't have the right to shut up those who disagree. Mr Kieffe is free to move to Saudi Arabia if he doesn't like those pesky liberties we have over here.

I don't see him trying to force anyone to shut up. He is, though, simply exercising his right to suggest that they do.

Your premise is incorrect. It is the minority in this country who seem to think they have the right to shut the majority up, and to an extent they've succeeded, as the controversy in this situation proves.

31 posted on 06/01/2008 3:36:40 AM PDT by alnick
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To: LibWhacker

Yep, it’s time to tell all the christian attackers to sit down and SHUT UP.


32 posted on 06/01/2008 5:31:01 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Patrick1

Yes, this is how I feel.

I don’t really like the ad. I think too much hostility makes it harder to bring nonbelievers to Christ. But, it’s that guy’s business, and if that’s the ad he thinks will attract customers then it’s up to him in my opinion. He’s just a businessman, not a minister or somebody. He can say his opinion and let customers make their own decisions.


33 posted on 06/01/2008 7:02:27 AM PDT by CatherinePPP
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To: freekitty

Don’t know if it really matters that much anymore. You have to have an understanding of how this country was founded and that escapes far too may these days.


34 posted on 06/01/2008 8:02:54 AM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: SouthTexas

It may not seem like it matters; but it does. Our enemies want us to stop believing in our country; they want us demoralized. It’s so much easier to get what they want when that happens.

America is worth fighting for.


35 posted on 06/01/2008 9:14:58 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

Agreed and it is still there, just in a different place.


36 posted on 06/01/2008 9:52:37 AM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: SouthTexas; All
I kinda like the green one, if they look like that I'll use them!

Seriously, to you and all the others that corrected me, thanks.

I remember reading that fact when the new coins were first discussed but forgot.

The inscription will wear our faster, though, being on the edge.

I still won't use them. As I said they are irritating and I cornfuze easily.

37 posted on 06/01/2008 11:22:28 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: Redbob
They promote engineers now based on their diversity cred

Well, I am pleased to see that there is an objective criterion, because it certainly isn't based on how well they can design cars.

38 posted on 06/01/2008 11:33:28 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: alnick
I don't see him trying to force anyone to shut up. He is, though, simply exercising his right to suggest that they do.

He is stating, quite clearly, that members of the majority religion should tell the minority to shut up. The attempt at religious intimidation is clear. He has the right to say whatever he pleases, of course - far worse things are protected under free speech. However, it's hypocritical to claim free speech rights for a statement that tells others to "shut up".

Your premise is incorrect. It is the minority in this country who seem to think they have the right to shut the majority up, and to an extent they've succeeded, as the controversy in this situation proves.

Please elaborate on how this situation has proven any such thing. All I see is a Ford dealer using the Ford brand name in his editorials on religion. My observation is that some social conservatives join the Left in practicing the concept of "Free Speech For Me, Not For Thee".
39 posted on 06/01/2008 1:03:45 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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