It's decision day for Democrats (Live Thread -delegates to be apportioned)

cnn ^ | 05/31/08 | cnn

[TornadoAlley3]

All-night meeting fails to come up with resolution Rules committee searching for plan to count Michigan, Florida delegates Both states' delegations invalidated for violating party rules Members of the Democratic National Committee's rules and bylaws panel convened for more than five hours behind closed doors Friday evening. The meeting ended at 1:30 a.m. ET Saturday -- eight hours before the committee is scheduled to hold a public hearing on the matter.

[johniegrad]

How does Obama get 55 delegates if he wasn’t on the ballot?

The only way I could see it is if they invoked the "intent of the voter" crap that they tried in Florida and applied it to votes that were "uncommitted". Otherwise I don't see any way.

[fatima]

Wow Dump Dean.Thanks for the report and congrats to Kristinn and TrueBlackman.

[AliVeritas]

Jan. 2008
Vote ‘uncommitted’ in Michigan Democratic presidential primary
David Green

Given the state of affairs in Michigan politics, how should DSA members (and fellow progressives) vote in the upcoming Michigan Democratic presidential?

As Michigan Democratic Party Chairman Mark Brewer discussed at a recent general membership meeting, the Democratic National Committee unseated Michigan’s delegation to the Democratic Party National Convention in response to Michigan’s decision to move its primary to January 15.

Brewer added that he expects the DNC to reverse its decision and reinstate our delegation sometime prior to the convention. However, in response to pressure from Iowa, several Democratic candidates withdrew their names from the Michigan ballot.

The ballot will offer voters the choice of Hillary Clinton, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Christopher Dodd (who now has withdrawn), uncommitted, or write-in.

So how is a progressive (let alone a socialist) supposed to vote?

We considered candidates both for their positions and their effectiveness in mounting a campaign capable of bringing about the changes we want.

Dennis Kucinich has taken a principled stand in favor of single payer health insurance and voted against authorizing the war in Iraq. But after much discussion, the majority of the Detroit DSA at its January meeting did not vote to support his candidacy.

Barack Obama eloquently opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning, but he won’t be on the ballot.

John Edwards, who has offered creative programs for working-class Americans, likewise will not be on the ballot.

Because of Michigan election laws, a write-in vote will not be counted unless the candidate files papers that he is a write-in candidate. Thus write-in votes will be wasted.

Therefore, we urge people to vote “uncommitted.”

If the “uncommitted” line on the ballot achieves a 15-percent threshold, then it is entitled to a share of Michigan’s delegates.

So our advice is to vote “uncommitted.”

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Mark Brewer at November DSA meeting

Michigan Democratic Party Chair Mark Brewer will address our next DSA general membership meeting Saturday November 3 at 10 a.m. at the Royal Oak Senior Center, 3500 Marais Ave. in Royal Oak. Brewer will discuss the prospects for the 2008 elections in Michigan as well as the upcoming presidential caucuses. Brewer, who has led the Michigan Democratic party since 1995, received his start in politics as a summer intern for Congressman David Bonior in 1977 and was involved in every reelection campaign of Congressman Bonior until 2000. He graduated from Harvard in 1977, received his law degree from Stanford University in 1981, and was formerly with the Sachs law firm. As chair Brewer has used ballot questions as part of a winning campaign strategy in several elections and developed innovative programs to turn out absentee and young voters.

Bagels and coffee will be provided. The phone for the center is 248-246-3900. The center is located north of 13 Mile Road, east of Woodward and west of Crooks.

[AliVeritas]

Ummm... Brewer, what did the vote say?

[clintonh8r]

Has anybody ventured over to DUmbassville to see what they’re ranting about?

[CAluvdubya]

Exit polls! That's where they get 55 delegates. 75% of the uncommitted voters TOLD exit pollsters they would vote Obama!

The dems sure do love their exit polls!

[Timeout]

This guy’s argument boils down to:

When everyone agreed on the rules, we didn’t anticipate every possible scenario. We now find ourselves in one of those unanticipated scenarios. Therefore the rules shouldn’t count.

Perfectly reflective of how Dems think: “The rules only apply if I think they’re faaaaaair!”. It stems from their moral relativism where nothing is right or wrong-—only fairness counts. But, of course, fairness can’t be legislated so all you end up with is a bunch of aggrieved parties.

[Liberty Valance]

~ bump ~

[RetSignman]

I’ve never seen so many pi$$ed off democratics in one room ripping away at each other.

Keep it going democratics, let the world see what you’re made of.

[Red_Devil 232]

If they have been drinking beer like I have (Wow it was before 11 when I started) they would need a break every 10 min.

[Timeout]

LOL!

Once again Dems are “divining” the intent of the voters!

This is too rich!

[AliVeritas]

By Brewer telling voters to vote uncommitted, he screwed the process directly correct?

I see this is the day the socialists came out openly to take over the party and election process.

[TornadoAlley3]

Exit polls? How is that fair, people lie on those.

[eyedigress]

We believe this is how they would have voted therfore we are correct. Oh man......

[AliVeritas]

Did he just say some of Obama’s write in weren’t counted?
He said before you have to confirm... so why the special treatment on his not done correctly re: delegates.

Talk about doublespeak.

Unfrigging real. Dems should never have been allowed to screw with the process like this... seriously.

[Timeout]

Straight from the horse’s mouth:

“We’re using UNCOUNTED votes”

[tflabo]

So Mich. wants to downgrade hellary to 69 delegates and upgrade Oblama to 59 delegates.

So if HRC gets #69 does that mean she is getting s.....?

[TornadoAlley3]

Donna England of Ashland, Ky, takes part in a rally in support of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., near the site of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee hearing on Saturday, May 31, 2008, in Washington. Matthew NcNey of Laurel, Md., left, a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., argues with Jennifer Zambernard of Silver Spring, Md., a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., during a Count Every Vote '08 rally near the site the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee hearing on Saturday, May 31, 2008, in Washington.

[Red_Devil 232]

They used a survey of uncounted write in votes? WTF!

[TornadoAlley3]