Posted on 05/31/2008 5:53:14 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
All-night meeting fails to come up with resolution Rules committee searching for plan to count Michigan, Florida delegates Both states' delegations invalidated for violating party rules Members of the Democratic National Committee's rules and bylaws panel convened for more than five hours behind closed doors Friday evening. The meeting ended at 1:30 a.m. ET Saturday -- eight hours before the committee is scheduled to hold a public hearing on the matter.
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He cuts off the Republican woman making sense. (rolling eyes)
I agree, for the most part.
I agree with a decision to give Obama nothing. It’s not that I think the situation was fair...I don’t. But it would be more unfair to give Obama delegates that he doesnt really have than to let Hillary keep all of hers.
It just shows what an unmitigated mess they created, though.
How bout all 3?
She said the votes in Michigan shouldn’t count, and the only thing Michigan voters care about is who is going to help with health insurance, gas prices and jobs.
ABC News’ Sarah Amos reports: Bill Clinton began a busy day of campaigning today in Elk Point, S. D., by taking a moment to mention the DNC Rules Committee meeting that is currently under way in Washington, D.C. “This has been an amazing election, and it has come down to the end, and you and Montana and Puerto Rico are going to be the last three places to vote. I think that we are going to have an unusual outcome,” said Clinton, in regards to the Democratic primary process coming to an end next week.
Clinton then reminded the crowd that the DNC Rules Committee meeting was at the moment trying to decide what to do about the contested delegated of Florida and Michigan. “The Republicans seated them as half delegates, the Democrats eviscerated them even though the Republicans were more responsible, in fact completely responsible, and the Democrats shared responsibility with Michigan. They figured since Michigan was the worst hurt state in the country by the Bush economy, they oughta be able to vote early — and we will see what happens,” Clinton told the crowd from the front porch of a local home.
“Hillary’s position has always been that if everybody gets to vote, and everybody’s vote is counted, she would accept the will of the Democrats and those who are legally eligible to participate in that process, that we would unify this party united do our best to win in November,” added Clinton, before moving on to other topics.
If tradition is broken, many rules come into play. Think of any?
Listening in on CNN panel. Picked up a few things.
Toobin says the nut here is the MI uncommitteds. Obama wants them counted as his, but the rules say you can’t do that. He thinks the committee will find a way to “bend the rules” (well, duh!).
Other panelists says this is NOT the end of this. It will go on after Tuesday.
Andrea Mitchell (on MSNBC) said a deal is being worked out. Hillary gets her delegates but agrees that Granholm and other prominant MI Dems can endorse Obama. Somethin’ like that.
Last...this is good. There’s some big hoopla fundraiser in NYC tonight. Algore will be there! (Chris Matthews almost wet his pants reporting that). Dean’s all in a twitter about making that event. Gotta get this meeting shut down...and then find a way to get their given all the tornado warnings. Karma!
thanks.
Next thing I know it is 11.30!
What a sleeping pill!
This is what Liberals do ... they talk and loudly. Does not matter what they say just as long as they get "Face Time" and can posture and ... kinda like Wright or Pfleger!
Barnum & Bailey couldn’t have predicted this. Democrats are torn between allegience and right. They also have the mind-set of never being wrong. Stuck
Yes, the state decides when its primary will be.
BUT, the DNC sets the rules for their convention and how they'll seat each state's delegation.
LOL!
Scenes From Today's RBC Hillary Protest
Howard Dean may hope that the “healing will begin today,” but two blocks away from the northwest Washington Marriott where the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee is meeting right now to try to figure out Florida and Michigan, the Hillary protesters are occupying an utterly alternate (and healing-free) universe: a universe in which one of the big lawn rally’s speakers yells that the Democratic Party no longer is in the business of “promoting equality and fairness for all”; in which a Hillary supporter with two poodles shouts, “Howard Dean is a leftist freak!”; in which a man exhibits a sign that reads “At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen” and shows Dean whipping handcuffed people; and in which Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who took to YouTube to allege that Barack Obama had oral sex with him in the back of a limousine in 1999, is one of the belles of the ball.
“They almost made me cry this morning when they told me to get out of there,” the blond Sinclair—who's looking roly-poly and giddy in a blue-and-white striped shirt with a pack of Marlboros protruding from the breast pocket—says, referring to several nervous protest organizers who tried to evict him when he first showed up at the rally site early this morning carrying a box of “Obama’s DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS: Murder, Drugs, Gay Sex” fliers. Since then, though, he goes on, “I have been totally surprised by the reception I have received!”
He's not kidding. Clusters of people in Hillary shirts ask to take their photo with him, one woman covered in Clinton buttons introduces him to Greta Van Susteren, and he estimates he has handed out 500 fliers. “You could improve your credibility if you downplayed the gay sex and focused on the drugs,” sagely advises one Hillary supporter with auburn hair and elegant makeup. But in this universe, Sinclair's credibility doesn't seem to be suffering too much. In fact, he's treated nearly as well as he might be at a meeting of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy. In the thirty minutes I stand with him, only one woman expresses disgust at his fliers and his willingness to chattily discourse on whether Obama is “good in bed.”
Earlier, he claims, he even got to take a picture with Charlie Rangel. “I love him!” Sinclair chirps, though, it must be said, not as much as he loves Lanny Davis.
Has it come to this? We tend to assume the Hillary camp's hot rhetoric—that Obama’s less ready than McCain to be commander-in-chief, that the DNC in Florida is like Mugabe in Zimbabwe—is studied, purposeful, that they can't really believe it. That may be true at the Lanny Davis level, but by the time it trickles down to Hillary's most grassroots supporters, it becomes deadly serious.
Of the eight Hillary supporters I quiz at the protest (six of them women), only one says she'd even consider voting for Obama in the fall. “It's sad. I'm a lifelong Democrat and the party's been taken over by these Obama people who say they want ‘change,’” gripes Linda of Horseheads, New York, outside the Marriott as a honking car decorated with a painting of Hillary, a glued-on bust of Cleopatra, and a tampon drives by. Linda, she says, has already gone to the state Board of Elections to learn how to write Hillary's name in in November. “So much has been stolen from her.”
Justine, a self-described “diehard Democrat” from Greensboro, North Carolina, objects to the write-in idea. “It's gonna help Barack if you don't vote against him,” she says. She and her friends got Sinclair to autograph their copies of the “Murder, Drugs, Gay Sex” flier. One of those friends, Jeannie, is living proof that, at least for some people, the long primary has done its damage. “When [Obama] first came out, we just thought he was too young,” she explains. “But now I don't think he's qualified at all.”
It's easy to sink into despair here. Standing and watching all these Democrats chat up Sinclair—who's retained Montgomery Blair Sibley as his lawyer and says the Republican National Committee has also been in touch with him—makes me want to fall to my knees, rend my garments, and start insanely screaming, “Wake up! Wake up! You'll hate a President John McCain!” But the rhetoric from the top has imparted its poison below, and the bitterest criticisms of Obama gain traction as they circulate through the virulently-pro-Hillary echo chamber. “Would you rather have a president who had an affair [Bill Clinton] or one who was a murderer [Obama]?” Jeannie, the Greensboro Democrat, asks a fellow in a floppy Tilley hat and Hillary buttons. “That's a good point,” he replies.
Following instructions from Obama HQ, almost no Obama supporters have shown up to protest, amplifying the impression of the alternate Hillary universe. But around the edges, a few small signs of the other universe peek through, the one in which Barack Obama leads and most Democrats don't suspect him of multiple felonies. Inside the Marriott's gift shop, the sales clerk tells me that Democratic bumper stickers have been selling like crazy today. “Mostly Hillary?” I ask.
“Actually, mostly Obama,” she giggles.
—Eve Fairbanks The New Republic
“If tradition is broken, many rules come into play. Think of any?”
Bush v. Gore!
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