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Snag in deal to return Texas sect kids to parents
AP Via Yahoo ^ | 5/30/2008 | Michelle Roberts

Posted on 05/30/2008 5:34:10 PM PDT by festus

SAN ANGELO, Texas - A plan to begin reuniting parents with more than 400 children removed from a polygamist group's ranch has been thrown into doubt because a judge and the families are clashing over proposed restrictions.

Texas District Judge Barbara Walther has refused to sign an order restoring custody to the parents until they agree to more restrictions than state child-welfare officials have proposed.

Walther was directed by an appeals court to reverse her ruling last month putting all children from the Yearning For Zion Ranch into foster case. The Texas Supreme Court affirmed the appeals court's decision Thursday and rejected the state's argument that all the children were in immediate danger from what it said was a cycle of sexual abuse of teenage girls at the ranch.


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KEYWORDS: children; cult; flds
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To: festus
festus said: "But quite often in family incest cases if the other parent knew and did nothing they are regularly brought up on charges."

Yes, of course. And that is because the parents have a legal DUTY to protect their children. I'm not familiar with the legal duty of priests to report crimes. Last I heard there were things such as "spousal privilege", "priest-penitent privilege" and "doctor-patient privilege".

Perhaps there are some people within the FLDS that have a DUTY to others, but it isn't necessarily the case that ALL of the adults have a duty to protect ALL of the children.

Do you have a legal duty to protect your neighbor's children? Do you have a legal duty to protect the children of people who attend the same church you attend?

If you believe that your neighbor is smoking pot, do you have a legal duty to report them? If you fail to do so, does that make you an accomplice to their crime?

61 posted on 05/30/2008 7:25:15 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
you have to resort to name calling

Please specify the name you were called.

62 posted on 05/30/2008 7:26:15 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: William Tell

Well with the FLDS its not a neighborhood its one big family :-)


63 posted on 05/30/2008 7:27:19 PM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

I only care about the kids. I think this judge knows full well what is going on and is doing her darndest to help those kids! Scream law at me all you want but those people are breaking laws by living the way they do. It needs to be stopped! I’m sick to death of the victims rights being trampled.


64 posted on 05/30/2008 7:27:26 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

I don’t think you understand the problem down there. It wasn’t polygamy, it was forced marriages to children.


65 posted on 05/30/2008 7:28:26 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: humblegunner
Do you go to websites having to do with young girls?

Fantasize about that stuff?

Read FLDS tracts?

lol. So if I say I think you act like one of Hitlers jackbooted-thug brownshirts who think they own the court system, I'm not really calling you a name either.

66 posted on 05/30/2008 7:30:06 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: festus

actually it is a situation similar to Bush vs Gore. You have a lower court refusing to comply with the order of a superior court.

The Supreme Court said the Children go back and the CPS is at square one (way to go cps). It is not optional. ONCE the reboot happens THEN CPS can start the whole process all over to have 460 INDIVIDUAL cases to prove the children are in immediate danger AFTER a full evidentiary hearing.

It is the same rule as any other case.


67 posted on 05/30/2008 7:33:19 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: CAluvdubya; Southerngl

As said earlier, provide proof, get a conviction, and you are free to hang them from the closest mesquite.

Until then, let them go.


68 posted on 05/30/2008 7:33:55 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

“Hmmmm...
The underage teenage pregnant girls, some with more than one child. Fathered by much older men?

No, there’s not as many as previously thought, but they’re still there, and the cult promotes it. Sex with a minor is still a crime. That hasn’t changed.”

OK. I’ll agree with you on that one. However, these people have separated themselves for such a time period that I am just waiting to see how many of the children end up dead, drugged out or raped on the outside “real world”. Prior to getting back with the folks.

Oops.


69 posted on 05/30/2008 7:34:57 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: Southerngl

LOL. Yah but that would be lost on most so I phrase it as i do.


70 posted on 05/30/2008 7:35:05 PM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
So if I say I think you act like one of Hitlers jackbooted-thug brownshirts who think they own the court system, I'm not really calling you a name either.

Errr.. no.

You seem to be unclear on the concept of name-calling.

I'll leave you to your delusions & sex cult support.

71 posted on 05/30/2008 7:35:14 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: festus

Beats the hell out of Janet Renos decision in Waco.


72 posted on 05/30/2008 7:37:34 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (McCain or Obama-Either way we're screwed.)
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To: Southerngl
It wasn’t polygamy, it was forced marriages to children.

Actually my reply you referenced was indeed to a question about polygamy. ;)

But to answer your query, one of the problems that the State has is the changing of age requirement to be married.

in 2005 I understand that the age to marry was 14. Without certain factions in the legislature wanting to GET these people the age would probably STILL be 14. So now the State/CPS has to go through this calculation not only about how old they child was, and when she became pregnant, but what was the status of the law at the time the pregnancy occurred. There is indeed the clause that the mate must not be over 3 years older than the girl, but that sounds to me like a technicality and if the state has to depend on that to build their case, then they have a REAL problem.

Younger than 14? You bet! charge em, indict em, convict em and throw away the key!

But according to the law, not people's wants, wishes, desires and opinions which is a LOT of what I see on FR anymore. People's opinions masquerading as facts and evidence.

73 posted on 05/30/2008 7:39:54 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: El Gato
Yes, but on an individual basis.

See this is where the problem starts. If they were actual individual families you could treat them individually. But the reality is they are one big inbred mess and it aint the fault of the state of Tx.

They are not only not individual units they are not even families. They are no more families than if the kids were under the possession of a dozen homosexual men or women they were forced to call their parents.
74 posted on 05/30/2008 7:40:44 PM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: Gondring

this judge will be overruled again


75 posted on 05/30/2008 7:41:38 PM PDT by wardaddy (I want a woman POTUS like Elizabeth I in that last movie.....that is a she I could vote for. Balls)
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To: humblegunner

It seems they must have wifi at the compound. :-)


76 posted on 05/30/2008 7:41:45 PM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: Abigail Adams

that link you posted does not go to your quote.

can you refresh it please

however, like others here have said, if Jeffs is a perv (he does look like one), that is not relevant to all 468 kids minors here


77 posted on 05/30/2008 7:44:31 PM PDT by wardaddy (I want a woman POTUS like Elizabeth I in that last movie.....that is a she I could vote for. Balls)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

The problem I have is that marrying at 14 (and yes, the law should be looked at) is flawed in that you are assuming that the parents aren’t involved. If as a minor, this child has no choice but to ‘marry’ (and the question is also if they are older, no technicality, but LAW) a man she doesn’t want to. And I don’t mean ‘the Bible tells us we should...’ crap either.

How many 14 year olds are going to protest being married off when the option is being cast out? This whole operation needs to be investigated and you can’t do that when all the families are together.

I do agree it’s individual rights, but if there were a cult that regularly made child porn, would you be so defensive?


78 posted on 05/30/2008 7:46:02 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: wardaddy

Try this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080530/ts_nm/usa_polygamists_dc_2

It is relevant because he picked these young girls who lived at the ranch in Texas to be his wives.


79 posted on 05/30/2008 7:47:16 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: festus
But the reality is they are one big inbred mess

In your OPINION!

Your opinion does not dictate reality.

They live in different houses and different family units.

And the Appellate court admonished them for treating them as 1 large family instead of the 70 or whatever families they actually are and the Supremes agreed.

80 posted on 05/30/2008 7:48:02 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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