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Amazon tribe sighting raises dilemma
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Posted on 05/30/2008 3:55:58 PM PDT by marthemaria

Dramatic photographs ofpreviously unfound Amazon Indians have highlighted theprecariousness of the few remaining "lost" tribes and thedangers they face from contact with outsiders.

The bow-and-arrow wielding Indians in the pictures releasedon Thursday are likely the remnants of a larger tribe who wereforced deeper into the forest by encroaching settlement,experts said.

Rather than being "lost", they have likely had plenty ofcontact with other indigenous groups over the years, saidThomas Lovejoy, an Amazon expert who is president of The HeinzCenter in Washington.

"I think there is an ethical question whether you can inthe end keep them from any contact and I think the answer tothat is no," Lovejoy said.

"The right answer is to have the kind of contact and changethat the tribes themselves manage the pace of it."

The Brazil-Peru border area is one of the world's lastrefuges for such groups, with more than 50 uncontacted tribesthought to live there out of the estimated 100 worldwide.

They are increasingly at risk from development, especiallyon the Peruvian side which has been slower than Brazil torecognize protected areas for indigenous people.

Jose Carlos Meirelles, an official with Brazil's Indianprotection agency who was on the helicopter that overflew thetribe, said they should be left alone as much as possible.

"While we are getting arrows in the face, it's fine," hetold Brazil's Globo newspaper. "The day that they arewell-behaved, they are finished."

Contact with outsiders has historically been disastrous forBrazil's Indians, who now number about 350,000 compared to upto 5 million when the first Europeans arrived.

"In 508 years of history, out of the thousands of tribesthat exist none have adapted well to society in Brazil," saidSydney Possuelo, a former official with Brazil's Indianprotection agency who founded its isolated tribes department.

CONCERN OVER PERU POLICY

In recent years, though, tribes like the Yanomami havesucceeded in winning greater protection by becoming morepolitically organized and forming links with foreignconservationists.

"It's not about making that decision for them. It's aboutmaking time and space to make that decision themselves," saidDavid Hill of the Survival International group.

More than half of the Murunahua tribe in Peru died of coldsand other illness after they were contacted as a result ofdevelopment for the first time in 1996, Hill said.

Sightings of such tribes are not uncommon, occurring onceevery few years in the Brazil-Peru border area where there areestimated to be more than 50 out of the total global number of100 uncontacted tribes.

In 1998, a 200-strong tribe was discovered by Possueloliving in huts under the forest canopy, also in Acre state nearthe Brazil-Peru border.

In September last year, ecologists looking for illegalloggers in Peru spotted a little-known nomadic tribe deep inthe Amazon.

The sighting underscored worries among rights groups thatoil and gas exploration being pushed by the Peruviangovernment, as well as logging, is putting tribes at risk.

Peru has no equivalent to Brazil's long-standing Indianaffairs department, which has a policy of no contact withunknown tribes.

"There is a lot of logging going on over on the Peruvianside," Hill said. "It's had all kinds of effects on the groupsliving there, particularly on the uncontacted groups -- it'sled to violent conflicts and deaths."

In May, Peru's petroleum agency Perupetro said it wouldexclude areas where isolated tribes live from an auction of oiland gas concessions. Perupetro had been under pressure to limitexploration activities near tribal areas, and had cast doubt onthe existence of isolated groups, angering activists.


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To: arthurus
Most of the North American Indians were wiped out by European diseases before the first Europeans saw them.

Not an entirely bad thing when you consider some of the native practices such as the Aztec tendency towards human sacrifice and cannibalism...

41 posted on 05/30/2008 5:39:08 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Dog Gone
We must keep the uncontacted tribes in a zoo, preventing them from any contact or improvement. Even though their life expectancy is probably 35 years or less, this is for their own good.

Didn't I see that episode on Star Trek:Voyager?

Seven of Nine and Chakotay crash inside a force field protecting an indigenous tribe from the rest of the planet. When Seven disables the force field in order to get out, the planet's anthropologists descend on the tribe.

-PJ

42 posted on 05/30/2008 5:40:50 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: arthurus
They mostly died off in the 1500s and 1600s from the microbes probably brought with the first Spanish explorers.

Why didn't the explorers die off from the microbes the Indians had?

43 posted on 05/30/2008 5:48:32 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

I wouldn’t know. The fact is that the exchange was mostly one-way. I suppose that’s not “fair” but that doesn’t invalidate facts. It might be because Europeans had already been exposed to and immunized by most of the plagues that existed because the reservoir of disease included all of Asia and some of Africa whereas America was a “relatively” small and isolated population.


44 posted on 05/30/2008 5:54:04 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: wintertime

Sorry for you.


45 posted on 05/30/2008 5:59:33 PM PDT by aristotleman (....in wolves' clothing....stealing ur prey.....)
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To: ktscarlett66

But we will declare them to be disadvantaged and exempt them from every obligation and expectation and promote them to equality of outcome in every measurable way. And they’ll vote democrat forever.


46 posted on 05/30/2008 6:02:12 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: marthemaria

They should drag them up here in chains and put them on the tonight show.


47 posted on 05/30/2008 6:09:50 PM PDT by Rudder ("There is only one chief. Obey him." [Rush Limbaugh, April 30, 2008])
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To: aristotleman

Sorry for you.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why? I am now living in a great Red state.


48 posted on 05/30/2008 6:10:51 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: aristotleman

Sorry for you.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why? I am now living in a great Red state. The only people remaining in Kensington are people who are too drunk, drug addicted, stupid, or poor to get out.


49 posted on 05/30/2008 6:13:17 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Sorry you were born there I mean.


50 posted on 05/30/2008 6:14:39 PM PDT by aristotleman (....in wolves' clothing....stealing ur prey.....)
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To: marthemaria

There not lost, there doing what most of us would love to do resign from this insane asylum we call civilization.


51 posted on 05/30/2008 6:15:18 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (IF YOU ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE BY 35 YOU HAVE NO BRAIN. W CHURCHILL)
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To: Dog Gone
Why didn't the explorers die off from the microbes the Indians had?
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They were immune, having had the disease previously, ( measles, small pox, chicken pox, some flu viruses, mumps, etc) or were ( through genetic selection) resistant to the diseases.

It is likely that our earliest European ancestors had died from these diseases ( such as measles) in a massive way and those who lived to propagate the explorers’ generation were more hardy and more resistant and genetically passes on this trait to their offspring.

52 posted on 05/30/2008 6:19:39 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Parley Baer
Interesting. I wonder where the other 50 uncontacted tribes would be located?

I think one of them may be living in my back yard. At least, that's what I tell code enforcement when they tell me to mow.
53 posted on 05/30/2008 6:20:07 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: aristotleman
Makes one better understand a certain POV on Elian Gonzalez, too!

They had no problem whatsoever trampling on the rights of fatherhood, in order to 'save' him.

It's the same mindset you've described above. No disrespect intended.

54 posted on 05/30/2008 6:21:07 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

I believe on leaving people alone, especially if they are living self-reliant lives.
Why bring them into a world they cannot possibly master? So they end up in slums or on welfare. Then we will complain some more about them.


55 posted on 05/30/2008 6:27:47 PM PDT by aristotleman (....in wolves' clothing....stealing ur prey.....)
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To: vladimir998

Why you be posting those filthy pictures?


56 posted on 05/30/2008 6:28:19 PM PDT by shaft29 (Just your typical black woman.)
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To: ronnie raygun

I would trade all of the “civilization” my money has bought, for the simple life of my great grandfather. Work from dawn to dusk on the land, never any time to think, be neurotic, or worry about abstract things.


57 posted on 05/30/2008 6:30:48 PM PDT by aristotleman (....in wolves' clothing....stealing ur prey.....)
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To: shaft29

I went there. I saw boobies!


58 posted on 05/30/2008 6:31:30 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

It’s not “boobies”. It’s “tribal nudity” -my TV taught me that.


59 posted on 05/30/2008 6:32:32 PM PDT by aristotleman (....in wolves' clothing....stealing ur prey.....)
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To: aristotleman

They looked like boobies to me.


60 posted on 05/30/2008 6:33:37 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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