Posted on 05/29/2008 11:42:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
“If the republican party wants my vote they need to field conservative candidates...”
Thompson wasn’t conservative? Tancredo wasn’t conservative? Hunter wasn’t conservative? The pubbies DID FIELD CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES but the partisan bickering split the vote (not to mention Huck and Romney) and McCain slipped in on name recognition.
Quit blaming McCain on the pubs and GOP it was you IDIOTIC ONE ISSUE VOTERS who couldn’t see past your nose and you’re doing the dsame thing noe you did during the campaign...
THREATENING TO HOLD YOUR BREATH AND TURN BLUE UNLESS YOU GET YOUR WAY.
Thanks to Presidential powers (CiC and Vetos) Congress is being kept in check. The Democrat majority since 2007 has been utterly unable to stop President Bush’s Iraq strategy which is reaping success. McCain won’t be different on this issue.
I'm sure you remember my seemingly endless posting of Senate/House/White House numbers to call to protest amnesty last year. I would prefer that Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter or another staunch, rock-ribbed conservative were the nominee. But that's not what happened. Adults deal with the world as it is, adolescents pretend that "Santa Claus" is real and will soon make things right. John McCain is a damn sight better than either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, and those who claim differently are fooling themselves. The more threads I post on Obama, the more scared I become. The man is a Marxist, black separatist strawman who is a Trojan Horse for our enemies. WE CANNOT LET HIM SUCCEED!!
I have said for some time that McCain is the poison pill to Conservatism. Elect him and Conservatism goes from a movement to a theory.
If you have a leftist as the President of your ‘Conservative’ party, what happens? He rules as a leftist pushing leftist policy. The RNC won’t oppose him becaue he’s their meal ticket. The Republicans in Congress won’t oppose him because they want access to the White House and as much quid pro quo as they can get. McCain and the RNC then muscle the state Republican leaderships to support McCain’s agenda. Republicans on forums like this one fall in line behind the (R) at about 75 to 25%.
In one fell swoop, there is no mechanism to push Conservatism. McCain’s leftist policies will get Republican and Democrat support.
Nobody will submit Conservative bills. Even if they did, they’d be DOA. McCain would even veto some of them.
Anyone thinking Conservatism gets rebuilt in this atmosphere is dilusional.
If Obama is elected, Conservatism thrives. Republicans in Congress will oppose him. The Republican party will reach out to Conservatives to gain power. Conservatives will be welcomed to help rebuild. Congress would be ours in 2010.
The Democrats are afraid of Obama. If reasoned candidates with sound values are lofted, they’ll vote for them. After two years they’ll be looking for a way to check Obama as much as well will.
Don’t forget folks, in South Carolina 41% of those who voted for Hillary said they wouldn’t vote for Obama. If that is true, 2010 looks like the year we take Congress back.
Of course that’s if John McCain hasn’t rewritten the Republican Bible, with the Conservative ‘Old Testament’ left out by then. (Just political talk folks, no implication on the actual Bible should be seen as implied here.)
But we have to fix the malignancy in our own ranks first and I don't have a good feeling about it. I'm almost to the point of telling them to take a hike and never come back because they do more damage than good.
AND IT IS all about the illegals with them, you can see it on their postings and in their taglines.
Go to the freakin’ Const or Libert parties, you're worthless and nothing but bad news.
Well I understand what the guy is getting at, but just remember - the Republican party was a third party, once upon a time. A third party isn’t viable at the moment, but third, or even fourth parties, HAVE to be viable at some time, otherwise this representative democracy will be reduced to a same-choice popularity contest with as much intellectual content as “American Idol”.
If McCain gets elected the RNC will continue their leftward slide.
Oh really?! Well, by the time there was a primary in my state there was 1 candidate. Here's my suggestion...how about the republican party hold their early primaries in states more representative of the bulk of the party?
Supporting conservatives in primaries means supporting the conservative who runs against RINO Senator Arlen Specter here in PA come 2010.
Rush had Arlen on his program a few months ago.
He had Arlen on his show a few weeks before the 2004 primary were Pat Toomey almost beat him.
Rush is right to say support conservatives in primaries and that means a ban on Arlen Specter appearing on his program and allowing Specter’s opponent airtime in 2010.
Baloney, there is one person who revived the pub party and conservatism and that was Newt Gingrich and his Contract with America.
And of course now Newt is villified by the same people who call for a mass walk out to third parties.
But the next Congress in both Houses will probably increase their number of leftist politicians to the point where they will have a voice, get their leftist agenda forced upon all of the general public, and where they will be able to easily override any and all vetoes that a President McCain could make during his entire Presidential term. Also, John McCain is such a political wuss when he’s not being a political maverick, and he did even think about joining the Democratic Party not that long ago. John McCain says that he’s willing to work with Democrats, but he just as equally doesn’t say that he’s also willing to work with both Republicans and conservatives! Remember, John Kerry almost picked McCain to be his ‘04 VP, and McCain still hates both the Republican Party and all of conservatism while still pretending that he actually likes them now, just to get their votes. “Assiduous conservative back stabbing” McCain truly isn’t fooling me one bit!
That’s how I see it.
I trust McCain’s patriotism. I trust he will lead us to victory over global jihad. I trust he is pro-life. I believe he is a fiscal conservative. I think he has integrity, that is to say, he means what he says, even if I don’t like what he says from time to time.
I hope he’ll give us good judges. I don’t think he’s corrupt. I think he’s decently pro-gun.
Don’t like: the global warming thing (but I think it’s winding down). His weakness on the 1st amendment. His waffling about on illegal immigration.
If he wins in November I will be ecstatic. You’ll hear me doing war-whoops across the Sierra Nevadas.
I agree with you but got a better idea, how about we divide ALL the states up into 3 groups and hold those primaries on three consecutive weeks?
You are describing the republican party. The process they have in place gave us McCain...not one of those other candidates you listed. So are you suggesting that the conclusion one should arrive at is since the republicans did have a few conservative candidates and yet are now putting forth McCain as their representative that the republican party is not the party of conservatives? It looks that way to an objective observer.
Quit blaming McCain on the pubs and GOP it was you IDIOTIC ONE ISSUE VOTERS who couldn’t see past your nose and you’re doing the dsame thing noe you did during the campaign...
You're wrong in many ways here. Firstly, you have no idea which issues energize me, nor how many issues energize me...so you're just utilizing an ad hominem. Secondly, the republican party selected their 1 candidate LONG before my state had a primary vote...so it's irrational to blame me for who the republicans have selected to represent them. So it's the republicans who are screwing American, in my view, by fielding a very weak candidate. You want to win...select a viable candidate.
THREATENING TO HOLD YOUR BREATH AND TURN BLUE UNLESS YOU GET YOUR WAY.
This shows your arrogance and stupidity. You (and the republicans) have no RIGHT to my vote...if you want it, earn it. Don't blame me when you field crap and I don't salute it.
“I trust McCain’s patriotism. I trust he will lead us to victory over global jihad. I trust he is pro-life. I believe he is a fiscal conservative. I think he has integrity, that is to say, he means what he says, even if I don’t like what he says from time to time.”
But none of that matters to the antis because they don’t like McCains stance on immigration.
One issue voters are the poison to any effective political strategy.
“our political system is set up so that it naturally favors two parties. But that doesn’t mean that they have to be the Democrat and Republican parties. It just means that if a third part ever gains traction, it will be at the expense of one of the others, which will fade into obscurity.”
I agree. And the reason our political system is like that is because that’s how the two parties organized it.
But, as you say, a successful third party will not remain a third party, it will replace the Republican Party (as the Republicans replaced the Whigs).
I don’t want your vote, your vote is too freaking hard to satisfy. Take your vote and go live in a libertarian cave somewhere because you bore all the rest of us.
Sounds like a better idea than what is currently the situation. Of course there are always unintended consequences with any plan...I can see that the one with your suggestion is the most successful candidates are likely to be the ones that already have name recognition and big bucks to spend on ads off the top. Additionally, there will be less opportunity for the unsuccessful candidates to influence the better known ones by challenging their ideas over the full length of a normal election cycle. (of course with the republican primaries ending early it appears the only influence applied was generally from Huckabee expressing his faith...all the candidates were spouting their religious views when it was raised in reaction to Huckabee for a time). The value of that influence to the race might be debated as well.
“The process they have in place gave us McCain...not one of those other candidates you listed.”
And did you just come to this realization now? That you’re preferred candidate might not win? What have you done in every other election because bro, my personal candidate hasn’t won since Ronnie, but you don’t see me stamping me feet and holding my breath.
Yes...it would take an actual conservative. You can keep your RINOs.
Take your vote and go live in a libertarian cave somewhere because you bore all the rest of us.
I highly doubt you speak for the majority of those on this board. I doubt they are as enthusiastic about electing RINOs as you appear to be.
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