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Oil Prices Sag Yet Pump Keeps Zooming Says Group
Oilintel.com ^ | 05/28/2008 | Staff Reporter

Posted on 05/28/2008 5:52:17 AM PDT by MichaelP

Santa Monica, CA - U.S. gasoline prices rose more than 33 cents a gallon to $3.937 in the last month despite driving cutbacks that have steadily reduced demand, said Consumer Watchdog. Oil prices sagged today along with U.S. economic indicators; yet even if they continue to fall, motorists are unlikely to see much relief at the pump -- or at the grocery story, with diesel breaking the $5.00 mark.

"Producers who have been making their record profits from drilling and selling oil are now trying to do the same on the refining end by keeping fuel supplies short in the summer driving months," said Judy Dugan, research director of the nonprofit, nonpartisan Consumer Watchdog. "High oil prices, combined with a drive to increase refinery profits, will be a double whammy on consumers this summer."

In recent months, refiners have cut back their production to match drops in consumer demand and prevent retail prices from dropping. This May, U.S. refineries have operated at an average of 86.5% of their maximum, while the modern average for May, especially before last year, was about 95%. (see weekly refinery utilization averages since 1990 at http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/wpuleus3w.htm and historic monthly averages at http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mopueus2m.htm ) National gasoline prices hit $3.937 on average yesterday, according to both AAA and the federal Energy Information Administration's weekly gasoline report. Diesel was about 40 cents a gallon higher than gasoline, and in high-priced California now averages $5.124. Some stations in the state are selling diesel for $5.50 a gallon and up, impacting the cost of almost all goods and food.

"The speculative frenzy in oil prices may be cooling slightly, but consumers are unlikely to benefit," said Dugan. "Congress is talking about getting speculation under control but should not ignore the role of refineries in price spikes just because pump prices have recently been driven by crude oil prices. Unless government also oversees refineries and the national supply of gasoline and diesel, consumers and the economy won't see the benefit if crude oil prices decline." Consumer Watchdog noted that major oil companies reaped record yearly profits from their refining businesses in 2006 and 2007, at some points likely profiting by $1.00 or more a gallon just on refining. This drove pump prices to then-records at a time when oil cost half what it does now. "Refineries want to boost their profits in the summer," said Dugan. "With drivers cutting back and truckers going bankrupt it's still business as usual for oil companies, even if it means wrecking the economy."


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KEYWORDS: energy; energyprices; gas; gasprices; manipulation; oil; price
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To: businessprofessor
Energy independence is a bad idea.

lol. And kowtowing to Saudi royalty is a good idea?

We will never be energy independent unless we want to pay much higher prices for energy than the rest of the world. We need diversified and reliable energy sources. We obviously should utilize energy sources that we have.

If we can send a man to the moon, we can dream up a competitor for oil. Oil desperately needs competition.

I do not expect any magical substitutes for oil in the short or longer term. We will probably see substitutes emerge to replace oil in selected situations. We will need oil for a long time.

If our demand for oil remains the same or rises long term, we are screwed. Unless somebody figures out a way to synthesize it. Because there's only so much in the ground.

There cannot be an effective WOT while we are buying a large percentage of our energy from the same area that we are fighting.
41 posted on 05/28/2008 9:16:43 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: thackney
Yeah I know its around 25%. However, that is to all governments involved..not just one.

Funny to see the very same government that is making more from this crying about high prices. What fraud! However, most people fall for it hook, line and sinker. So how can the Oil companies overcome this. They need to strategize.

42 posted on 05/28/2008 9:28:46 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
However, that is to all governments involved..not just one.

And if we opened up more areas for drilling, we could be funding our own government instead of some of our enemies.

I never see the LS Media mention that 3/4 of ExxonMobil's revenue comes from overseas.

43 posted on 05/28/2008 9:35:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Right, but I think the government gets enough money as is.

If it was up to me, then the only tax that I think would be fair would be a 10% consumer tax only on all New products. That is it. Send the rest of the money back to the taxpayers.

44 posted on 05/28/2008 9:44:07 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: super7man
Can someone help me out here regarding speculation. I am assuming that they are talking about commodities trading which I thought actually had the effect of stabilizing the market. Plus commodities is a zero net sum game, so for every 60% winner there is a 60% loser. I do not see how this actually drives the price of the market it just smoothes it. Right?

yeah- some gain 60%, while consumers are the losers...

45 posted on 05/28/2008 9:49:57 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: lesser_satan
"It isn’t gouging. They have to sell the stock they bought previously at higher prices. It takes a little while for pump prices to reflect changes in crude prices."

There is only one MASSIVE problem with your premise. Gas stations IMMEDIATELY raise their prices as soon as the spot price goes up seemingly every day even though most of the time the gas in their storage tanks was bought at a lower price.

EVERY gas station in the USA does not get a delivery several times a day or every day.

The spot price goes up overnight and the stations unanimously immediately raise their prices 5 to 10 cents at a whack and when the spot price goes down, the stations consistently drag their feet to lower the price a penny. It never matches; the price goes up rapidly and goes down S L O W L Y. They rake in the profits and the consumer gets screwed.

46 posted on 05/28/2008 9:56:09 AM PDT by Jmouse007
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To: mysterio; Nervous Tick

47 posted on 05/28/2008 9:56:24 AM PDT by txhurl (Hirari, Owari ne" ("It's Over for Hillary, Isn't it?"))
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To: txflake
Are tulips an essential monopoly good with inelastic demand? No.

Is oil? Yes.

Next.
48 posted on 05/28/2008 10:01:33 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

You don’t think the price of oil is at the apex of its bubble?


49 posted on 05/28/2008 10:06:54 AM PDT by txhurl (Hirari, Owari ne" ("It's Over for Hillary, Isn't it?"))
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To: txflake

Honestly, no, I don’t. I believe it will rise until the ability to pay drops. It might get close to $6 a gallon before the economy tanks.


50 posted on 05/28/2008 10:09:02 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio; txflake
Honestly, no, I don’t. I believe it will rise until the ability to pay drops.

Oh, definitely!

It's different this time. Trust me. This is not your ordinary speculative bubble... it's a different one.

51 posted on 05/28/2008 1:30:29 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (La Raza hates white folks. And John McCain loves La Raza!)
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To: mysterio
If we can send a man to the moon, we can dream up a competitor for oil. Oil desperately needs competition.

The moon exploration accomplished little in the long run. It was a very impressive event that has led to little innovation in the long run. Long term innovation was unleashed through private enterprise with little government intervention in industries such as micro electronics and software.

If our demand for oil remains the same or rises long term, we are screwed. Unless somebody figures out a way to synthesize it. Because there's only so much in the ground.

Gasoline and diesel can be synthesized from coal. The process has been refined so that it is now cost effective. I doubt that the rats will allow it. The coal industry indicates that much CO2 can be sequestered in the synthesis process. Still, the rats will find some reason to object because they hate carbon-based energy.

There are large amounts of oil waiting for development. We have a reasonable amount in this country. A high price will ensure that new technologies are developed to extract oil from previously difficult areas. The rats want to stop all oil development so the amount of extractable oil does not matter.

lol. And kowtowing to Saudi royalty is a good idea?

The Saudis want to sell us oil as do the other OPEC countries. We are not kowtowing to anyone. Oil sales are voluntary transactions. OPEC is a cartel so they have some control over the supply of oil.

In the long term, we do not want to rely on a cartel for any commodity. The private market has a huge incentive to find alternative sources. Moving to other energy sources is a long term effort. We need oil especially our own sources of oil in the meantime. Government mandates will just lead to boon doggles like ethanol. The marketplace will develop alternative sources when the technologies are viable. Mandating solutions are terrible ideas. We will be worse because of the mandates.

52 posted on 05/28/2008 1:50:00 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: MichaelP

Congress can’t do a thing about it. They can expedite building alternatives plants and nukes but that won’t be cheap. This is about the start of 25 years of pain if Congress is effective and successful, and the start of pain forever if they don’t.


53 posted on 05/28/2008 1:52:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: Sprite518

“First, if you believe business pay taxes, then I have beach front property in Iowa to sell you. They pass it on to the consumers.:

Not true.


54 posted on 05/28/2008 2:32:03 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida (Drill in the Gulf of Mexico/Anwar & we can join OPEC!!! || Write in Thomas Sowell for President.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Agreed. This is a different kind of bubble, a new, improved derivative that can not bust.

Ha ha ha.

55 posted on 05/28/2008 2:38:39 PM PDT by txhurl (Hirari, Owari ne" ("It's Over for Hillary, Isn't it?"))
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To: Nervous Tick

Some of the posters around here are agribiz types w/ an agenda. Too many populists. Not enough economic education.


56 posted on 05/28/2008 2:47:43 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida (Drill in the Gulf of Mexico/Anwar & we can join OPEC!!! || Write in Thomas Sowell for President.)
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To: RightWhale

You think at $135/barrel oil energy is expensive, wait to you see what “alternatives” cost. LOL


57 posted on 05/28/2008 2:48:57 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida (Drill in the Gulf of Mexico/Anwar & we can join OPEC!!! || Write in Thomas Sowell for President.)
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To: businessprofessor
The moon exploration accomplished little in the long run. It was a very impressive event that has led to little innovation in the long run. Long term innovation was unleashed through private enterprise with little government intervention in industries such as micro electronics and software.

Brazil is already energy independent. You don't see them having to bend over backwards kissing the butts of every third world dictator. Pretty effective WOT strategy for them, I'd say. If they can do it, so can we.

We are not kowtowing to anyone.

BS. We're over there almost monthly now begging them "Oh please, when you're not busy killing women and cutting off peoples' hands could you please oh please pump more oil? Pretty please? No? Ok, see you next month! You're still bailing our banks out, right?"

Come on. What kind of a superpower not only doesn't have a secure energy supply but also has to buy the energy from its enemies?

Poor, poor plan. We need to be energy independent yesterday. And we need to do whatever it takes to get there if we value our nation.
58 posted on 05/28/2008 2:51:56 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Brazil is already energy independent.

And the main method that got them there was drilling for oil.


59 posted on 05/28/2008 2:53:43 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Sunnyflorida
Some of the posters around here are agribiz types w/ an agenda.

I have an agenda. My agenda is not seeing our country forced into a depression by high energy prices and then cut off at the knees. Open your eyes.
60 posted on 05/28/2008 2:53:46 PM PDT by mysterio
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