The Dead Raised again! Woman Suddenly Comes Back to Life, Doctors Call it a "Medical Miracle"

BCN ^ | May 23, 2008 | Aimee Herd

[ovrtaxt]

I just read more about him, and you need to be very very cautious..

Who, Jesus?

If you're talking about some minister or preacher, my previous statement stands. We all have flaws, especially me. I also hav a very questionable past, of which I've been forgiven.

Reminds me of what a wise man once said: "I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER."

~ G. Marx

[ovrtaxt]

Cool. I’m not your typical church-going Christian, so please freepmail me some info, I’d love to hear your story.

For the record, I’m a home-church guy. We meet outside the typical churchianity system, we believe that all believers are anointed, that we can all minister the immediate presence of God to anyone and everyone, and that any separation of minister and laity is false doctrine. So hit me up! thanks.

[ovrtaxt]

The sources are all linked. Take your problems up with them, and the medical staff who provided the information.

[ovrtaxt]

If you read all the source stories, especially the ABC one, there seems to be more detail about the specific timeline of events. Maybe that will help.

[TXnMA]

"Hold up a second. Rigor mortis starts about three hours after death, after all metabolic processes have stopped."

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I agree.

This sounds more like some sort of seizure -- possibly brought on by a high body temperature (fever). The muscular spasm rigidity was probably mistaken for and other vital signs may well have also been suppressed by the affliction.

IMHO, the claim of "death" is totally incompatible with continuing (aggravated, actually) metabolism -- i.e. elevated body temperature.

Good grief! Haven't those folks watched the ME on CSI measure the drop in body (liver) temperature to obtain an estimate of the time elapsed since death..? ;-} Dead bodies don't heat up -- they cool off!

As much as I would appreciate seeing or reading of a miracle, In this case, the only miracle I see is an unusual recovery -- not "resurrection" -- from a death that never occurred.

[TXnMA]

The muscular spasm rigidity was probably mistaken for <I<rigor mortis</I> rigor mortis and...

Sorry! Bad HTML + lousy proofreading of my preview... :-(

[ovrtaxt]

The story didn’t say she was overheated, it said they tried to cool her body to stimulate a response from the brain.

“Doctors tried everything to save Thomas’ life, even inducing hypothermia in an attempt to lower her body temperature and stimulate the brain.”

That’s from the ABC News link. You’re making assumptions without reading the info.

[TXnMA]

You are correct. I didn't read all the supporting material -- and reached a faulty conclusion. Nonetheless, the reporting of "rigor mortis" almost immediately was an obvious error. No doubt this will be reported in the medical journals - with better info than from the "rigor mortus" media...

[MsLady]

There will be flaws with anything. Humans are involved, so expect it.

But look at the results(FRUIT) The Name of Jesus is being given as the reason(and His name is being lifted up). What more do you want?

I agree!!! To many people are jumping on this outpouring in Lakeland, passing judgment way to fast. There's to much fear, if anything even looks like it's different than the person believes. I found out the hard way that being presumptuous is dangerous and foolish. And I have yet to see a church that is completely biblical. Most are bloated with man made traditions and fallacies. Healing was for than not now, there isn't any such thing as demons, some even deny the power of the Holy Spirit and existence of hell.

This is what I have to say to the heretic hunters. Matthew 7:3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but don't notice the log in your own eye? And Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE.

If this is a move of God, nothing will stop it. If it isn't, it'll stop soon enough.

[MsLady]

The Bible even states how false prophets can preach & heal, but they are still false prophets.

False prophets can not heal, that is not biblical at all. satan can't heal, just like satan can't cast out satan.

Be cautious but, not fearful. There is a difference between discernment and criticism. Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE.

We serve a Supernatural God, it amazes me that people think that what God does, will look like what we are use to seeing in the natural. Sometimes it just plain isn't going to make any sense at all. Like building an Ark in the middle of a desert. Discern by the fruit.

[MsLady]

He steps out of His little man-made box and surprises us from time to time!

Love it!!!!

[pbear8]

I’m not a doctor and I don’t play one on TV and I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn Express late night. That said, I believe the medical reason to lower a patient’s normal temperature is to prevent or mitigate brain and organ damage. I don’t believe they were trying to break a fever.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

During procedures to lower her body temperature, Val's heart stopped two more times.

3. AND STILL running a high fever?

There's no indication she was running a high fever.

Lowering body temperature is known to decrease the damage done to brain tissue from oxygen deprivation.

There are many stories of children falling through ice in the winter and drowning only to be revived 15 or more minutes later

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-lake-toddler-22-apr22,0,4788836.story

So it's not necessarily hokum, there is precedent for lowered body temperature in keeping one alive for extended periods without a heartbeat...

[Guenevere]

I stand corrected....Thanks!
You quote correctly....I got carried away.

[Guenevere]

Again, you have quoted the Bible correctly...

..but I sense you believe this guy is the real deal?...am I correct.

I am not of that opinion.

[ovrtaxt]

If this is a move of God, nothing will stop it. If it isn't, it'll stop soon enough.

Gamaliel said the same thing about the disciples in Acts. Good word.

[Marysecretary]

Always fun to see it happen.

[MsLady]

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. The business of life.... Yes I do think Todd Bentley is the real deal. I've been listening to him for about 2 years. The things I find unusual, I'll go and study them out and pray before making a final decision. I also think because he's a man, he is going to be wrong about things or incomplete at times, it happens to all of us. We can't look for perfection in any movement of God. It won't happen because we aren't perfect. I look at the fruit.

Why do you think he is not the real deal? Just asking not judging.