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deseret news ^ | May 27, 2008 | Ben Winslow

Posted on 05/27/2008 12:30:59 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland

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To: MizSterious
Let me posit the reverse, how many pretend cases of girls being raped in people's minds does it take to realize there hasn't been the crimes alleged? Not saying there hasn't been crimes, and certainly the history tells us there is crimes being perpetrated, but I have yet to see specifics nor did the appellate court. I think if you are throwing out non sequiturs, they can be asked the opposite way too.

We heard 56, 31, 21, 18, 12, now 5 cases of children born to teenage moms or pregnant. All in dispute and teenage pregnancy again, as I have repeated many times, does not automatically mean rape, legally. Having those 5 or so disputed cases justifying the wholesale removal of all children, even those not in imminent “physical” abuse danger seems quite a stretch to thinking critical people.

If you watched Good Morning America this morning they were discussing Gloucester high school in Maine and the 17 teenage pregnancies that have occurred this year. They didn't discuss teenage pregnancy meaning unequivocally rape has obviously occurred. Matter of fact, they never even broached that possibility. They discussed the school providing birth control pills and condoms to correct the high numbers. The problem was that parents didn't have to be notified so a bit of a firestorm has erupted. Nevertheless, teenagers being pregnant and the subsequent rape assertion didn't seem to be the focus of discussion at all.

61 posted on 05/28/2008 2:35:14 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Not quite the same, but look at all the DU’ers teaching their kids that Castro is a loving caring man who cares for the Cubans, Chavez, Che, etc. etc. etc... Are we going to start prosecuting people for beliefs now rather than actions and monitoring what people teach their children? Now we are getting into thought crimes. Everyone would be guilty of something. Meanwhile I,,, shrug.


62 posted on 05/28/2008 2:42:56 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: djf

First cousin marriage is legal in 20 states??? After doing a bit of research I find that shockingly true. That needs to be changed. In fact, the genetic disorders from this practice are increasing everywhere it is allowed..

“..researchers and politicians say inter-cousin unions, which are highly prevalent among British Pakistanis, have led to a striking rise in the incidence of rare recessive disorders, many of them fatal, in areas such as Bradford. The trend has led to calls for cousin marriages to be banned.”

from an article in The Guardian
and more here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7404730.stm


63 posted on 05/28/2008 7:49:16 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: commonguymd; MizSterious; Alice in Wonderland

The picture is a “specific.”

You haven’t been paying attention, common.

First, you are the one who raised the numbers as though they are significant — no “non sequitors,” here.

As she was shown the photograph, Louisa still said that Jeffs was perfect in her eyes.

In post #46 in this thread,http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2020879/posts , I posted at least one other “specific.”

In Texas, yes, pregnancy under the age of 16 is automatically sexual assault. There are certain defenses under the law, but mom and dad can’t consent under the age of 16, no one can consent outside of marriage if there are more than 3 years of difference in age, or even if they are the same sex. One reason we made the changes was because of claims that adolescent sexual predators and homosexual sex were justified by the lack of prosecution of other sexual immoralities.

Regardless of what happens in Florida, we will not stand for sexual predators, sex trafficking, or any other definition of marriage other than one man and one woman in Texas.


64 posted on 05/28/2008 8:30:10 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: eleni121

Ahhh.... conservatism.

Doesn’t mean trying to self govern and better yourself.
I guess it means telling everybody else how to live their life.

“selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, selfishness is wanting others to live as one wishes to live”
Oscar Wilde


65 posted on 05/28/2008 8:34:18 PM PDT by djf
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To: MizSterious

“To deny my opinions (judgement, if you prefer), I would have to squelch my own mind...indoctrinate myself!

A jury decided that O. J. Simpson was “not guilty”. Apparently the great majority of the country set themselves up as “judge, jury, and executioner” because they honestly believe he IS guilty.

Do you? “

This suggests to me that we can dispose of our system of justice and just go with the justice of the mob.
This is what I was responding to.


66 posted on 05/28/2008 9:11:31 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: antceecee
If you have read about other stories or gossiped over the back fence that's enough to convict.

Well, uh...no it isn't. A defendant is convicted or declared "not guilty" by a judge or jury. Potential jury members are questioned on whether they have pre-conceived opinions of guilt or innocence. As American citizens, we're not required to have no opinion on either the guilt or innocence of people accused of crime.

Again I ask, did you form an opinion on OJ Simpson's guilt or innocence before his trial ended?

67 posted on 05/28/2008 10:47:42 PM PDT by IIntense (o)
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To: UCANSEE2
...cut and paste from older threads.LOL

Now ...gossiping over the back fence...is all that's needed to put someone in jail. Can't help lovin' that "deep thinkin'".

68 posted on 05/28/2008 10:56:03 PM PDT by IIntense (o)
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To: IIntense

RE: OJ: I was not in the courtroom .. did not hear the evidence.. and therefore not qualified to convict or acquit.
I do have a personal opinion which should not sway the proper course of justice.

BTW... don’t snip portions of my statements in an effort to misrepresent what I posted....
You know what I mean...???


69 posted on 05/28/2008 11:02:42 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: IIntense

You are not that deep...

get over yourself.


70 posted on 05/28/2008 11:03:31 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: muawiyah

Spoken like the true socialist you are....


71 posted on 05/28/2008 11:07:17 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Uh.. actually no.. that was my own true post... pinky swear.

Sorry it did not meet your literary criteria.

/not/
(BTW...isn’t there some courtesy rule on FR about copying other Freepers )when you are talking about them in a post... no biggie.. just would have been polite!


72 posted on 05/28/2008 11:13:43 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: djf
Conservatism does not mean allowing men to abuse and enslave our fellow citizens and our children. It means impeding and, if necessary, punishing all who would infringe on the individual's inalienable rights.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

73 posted on 05/29/2008 2:58:09 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: djf

Oh stop wth the arrogant sniveling...people need to be educated and/or enlightened. I did not say add more laws...as stupid as many of them are.

After all they are written by legalist drones.


74 posted on 05/29/2008 5:38:29 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: antceecee
Some simple rules you can use to keep track of who is or is not a Socialist:

1. Socialists believe human beings are just property

2. Non-Socialists believe human beings have inalienable rights

Here we have a situation where one side, the F(lds) and its supporters, believe human beings are just property.

The other side, my side, adheres to the words of the Declaration of Independence, particularly to: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,....."

No socialist believes that. They, like the F(lds) think people are just property.

75 posted on 05/29/2008 6:58:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: antceecee

No need to apologize, sarcastically or not.

I apologize.

It was a smarmy remark, and undeserved.


76 posted on 05/29/2008 8:21:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: IIntense; antceecee

The cut and paste thing is my fault.

Some posters go from thread to thread and cut/paste the same speech, over, and over, almost like spam.

The way I said it, it came out as an implication that antceecee does that, and that there is something wrong with doing any cut and paste.


All I know is that exchanging a common thought that I had with another poster, on another thread, caused a bunch of BS, and I apologize to everyone for starting it.


77 posted on 05/29/2008 8:37:18 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: UCANSEE2

Apology accepted.... I can see by your cumulative posts that you are trying to have a reasoned discussion. You contribute a lot to the discussion. Thank you.


78 posted on 05/29/2008 8:39:26 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: muawiyah

Some government bureaucrats view children as property... guess that fits the definition of socialist. Therefore I distrust most government bureaucrats.


79 posted on 05/29/2008 8:46:05 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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