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Vet Faces Lawsuit For Flying American Flag
Channel 6 ^ | 5/27/08

Posted on 05/27/2008 6:54:11 AM PDT by peggybac

CLERMONT, Fla. -- A Central Florida war veteran faces a lawsuit for flying the American flag in his front yard.

"I don't understand why it would bring down the values of our homes by flying the American flag from a pole in my front yard," homeowner Jimmie Watkins said.

Watkins and his wife, Ria, received a final notices from the Sussex homeowners' association in Clermont that they must remove the flag or else face legal action.

The former retired U.S. Navy communications officer said he refuses to back down for the American flag.

"Our people are serving today to give us freedom," Watkins said. "To do as we like here within the law of America. It is my right to fly my flag from my pole and until a court of law tells me to haul that down. I will not haul it down. I think about all of the people who have served our nation and all of the lives that it's costs and all of the friends that I've lost."

Local 6 reported that all surrounding subdivisions in Kings Ridge allow a flag pole display in a person's front yard.

Jim Hart, who handles property management for 1,500 properties, including Sussex, said it is the association's call and not his.

"Each sub-association has its own set of documents and they can differ," Hart said. "The rationale for that only exists within the minds of the folks that are doing it. I can't sit here and tell you why."

The homeowner's association is not commenting about their rules. But state law said anyone can display a flag in a "respectful manner" as long as it is removable, Local 6 reported.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: oldglory; onthehomefront; veterans
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To: NonValueAdded

Sounds like the issue may be with the permanent pole, and not with the temporary flag.


61 posted on 05/27/2008 3:45:40 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don?t kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: peggybac

Unfortunately, I don’t believe he has a leg to stand on. People move into neighborhoods knowing they have a neighborhood association and they agree to the rules, but then find they don’t like it.

There are good things about NA’s, but there’s a lot of bad that goes with them as well. I hope this guy wins out.


62 posted on 05/27/2008 4:09:46 PM PDT by Impostor
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To: Beelzebubba

Yep, the pole is not portable or removable (well, not easily anyway) and thus would fall outside of the statute. A homeowner’s association is nothing more than a smaller unit of government, generally established in the deeds of a planned development giving the owners the means to manage the common areas. It is a mini town council and can certainly make the mistakes its larger brother and sister town and city councils seem to do on a regular basis.


63 posted on 05/27/2008 4:16:44 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: peggybac; Ann Archy; Virginia Ridgerunner; Phantom Lord; svcw; Former MSM Viewer; Graybeard58; ...
Happy news ... emergency legislation has passed, was signed by Gov. Crist today, and goes into effect July 1st. It allows flag poles up to 20 ft in height. I haven't seen the bill yet but I wonder if provisions exist for a lighted pole for 24x7 display, etc.

See Gov. Crist Signs Flag Rights Bill

64 posted on 05/28/2008 8:12:45 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: NonValueAdded

Fantastic.


65 posted on 05/28/2008 8:14:13 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you. As always, mods are the best.


66 posted on 05/28/2008 8:19:13 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: NonValueAdded

Awesome! Thanks for letting us know.


67 posted on 05/28/2008 8:26:42 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: NonValueAdded
The bill is S1378 and it also allows for the POW-MIA flag to be flown, and removes the holiday-only restriction on the service flags. No mention of lighting for the pole so that will be the next battle when someone wants to fly the flag 24x7.

Turns out the bill was filed 1/25/08 so it wasn't emergency legislation, it passed in the Florida Senate 39-0 on 4/16 and 104-8 in the House on 4/18. It went to the governor on 5/18 and was signed today, 5/28.

68 posted on 05/28/2008 8:42:35 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: NonValueAdded

Way ta go Governor.


69 posted on 05/28/2008 8:54:50 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Beelzebubba

“Sorry, dudes, but just because higher law trumps HOAs on racial discrimination, antennas, and such (by specific statute) does not mean that it trumps on flag flying prohibitions.”

I could also claim the earth is flat, doesn’t make it true. Higher law trumps lower non-law every single time.

Disagree? Show me the law.


70 posted on 05/29/2008 4:06:44 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

Higher law trumps lower non-law every single time.


Where state law says HOAs may not regulate, then higher law trumps property rights (as embodies in CC&Rs). But if there is no statutory provision, then the neighborhood rules, rule.

Either a law trumps my right to apply rules to my private property, or it doesn’t.

Ball’s in your court.


71 posted on 05/29/2008 7:57:53 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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