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Obama Speaks with "Deep Humility" on Memorial Day (Lies about his uncle)
Washington Post ^ | May 26, 2008 | Karl Vick

Posted on 05/27/2008 6:30:30 AM PDT by StopBHO

"In World War Two we didn't have the concept of post traumatic stress syndrome. People had to basically handle it on their own," he said. Referring to an uncle who had been one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz, the concentration camp, Obama said: "The story in the family is he came home and just went up in the attic."

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KEYWORDS: antimilitary; dnctalkingpoints; obama; obamatruthfile; ptsd; revisionisthistory
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To: StopBHO

Why doesn’t the DBM ever interview any of his relatives? Oh, never mind.


21 posted on 05/27/2008 7:02:57 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: StopBHO

I believe he is referring to his Uncle Joe Stalin, who has served as the greatest inspiration in his life.


22 posted on 05/27/2008 7:04:15 AM PDT by mak5
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To: mak5

“I believe he is referring to his Uncle Joe...”

Hahaha...good catch.


23 posted on 05/27/2008 7:10:35 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: StopBHO

'Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country,' he [Ayers] said."
August 2001, Chicago Magazine (article: No Regrets)

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
March 6, 1970: "three members of the Weather Underground accidentally killed themselves in a Manhattan townhouse while attempting to build a powerful bomb they had intended to plant at a social dance in Fort Dix, New Jersey -- an event that was to be attended by U.S. Army soldiers. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plot been successfully executed."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

"The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!

"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/

Allies in War
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001:

ON THE MORNING OF THE ATTACKS on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives."

The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s’ Weather Underground, America’s first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.

"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough."

In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World [Maoist-communist] revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.

Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."

Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"

(big snip)

Today William Ayers is not merely an author favored by the New York Times, but a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago.

His Lady Macbeth [Bernardine Dohrn] is not merely a lawyer, but a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.
[it's true! see: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/aclu/]

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09

The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference

[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

Weather Underground Organization [linked to N. Vietnamese and Cuban gov'mts, KGB]
[420 pages in all on pdf]

Source: FBI | Freedom of Information Act

In 1976, the FBI's Chicago Field Office prepared a summary which described the activities of the Weather Underground Organization, also known as Weathermen. This organization described itself as a revolutionary organization of communist men and women. The FBI's analysis of its motivations, beliefs, and international travels are outlined in this summary.

[some excerpts from the 1976 report linking the organization to foreign governments...]

From the moment in October, 1967, when Radio Hanoi announced the formation of the South Vietnamese Peoples Committee for Solidarity with American People (by the National Liberation Front (NLF), the political arm of the Viet Cong) with the objective of establishing relations with "progressive organizations and individuals in the United States," a political front was enjoined in behalf of the national interests of the Democratic Republic of North Vietnam (DRV) (and the NLF), the purpose of which was to intensify the anti-war sentiment in the United States. From the initial meeting between the Vietnamese and leading anti-war activists held in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia, in November, 1967, to the July, 1969, meeting with leading Weatherpeople held in Havana, Cuba, the influence of Vietnamese representatives on the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) leadership became sharply pronounced. At the same time, the example of the Cuban revolution became the guide for the emerging American student revolutionary. With an increasing number of trips to Havana where the youthful revolutionary could learn at first hand how to create revolution, the influence of Cuba on the developing WUO [Weather Underground Organization] was enormous.

The WUO obtained their revolutionary methodology from the Cubans and Vietnamese and, importantly, put into practice what they had learned from them. The Weathermen, of course, did not just happen to come about during the June, 1969, SDS National Convention. They fully admit their radical heritage began during experiences gained in SDS and as shown herein their international contacts with representatives of the DRV and NLF which began in 1967 increased their anti-imperialist consciousness so that by 1969 they had solidified their revolutionary commitment to include the maximum optimum of armed struggle. So, when Huynh Van Ba, representative of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), instructed the WUO to "look for the person who fights hardest against the cops...Don't look for the one who says the best thing. Look for the one who fights," the campus base was forgotten and the WUO began to recruit the greasers and assorted oddments who had displayed their hatred of authority in direct combat with police.

The WUO has existed since early 1970. Since then, their ideological statements have developed a more consistent Marxist-Leninist revolutionary stance, and along with their numerous "underground communiques" which have accompanied significant bombings throughout the country, their statements quite clearly show they continue to consider themselves revolutionaries of an international order. Their revolutionary duty lies side by side with the oppressed Third World peoples and the proletariat of the world. Hence, the international character of the WUO and the foreign influence which shaped that character was early defined and has been a constant frame of reference when considering the investigative problem inherent to the WUO.
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/weather.htm

24 posted on 05/27/2008 7:17:21 AM PDT by ETL
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To: Eurale

...interview any of his relatives?
Other than Michelle & kids, who else is there????????


25 posted on 05/27/2008 7:18:52 AM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: StopBHO
This is amazing!

Obama's uncle went on a daring secret mission more than 300 miles in advance of his own lines, deep into Soviet territory, in order to liberate Auschwitz.

And yet the Red Army have been claiming credit for more than 60 years.

26 posted on 05/27/2008 7:26:27 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

typical white secret agent


27 posted on 05/27/2008 7:29:56 AM PDT by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day ... John 8:12 & 14:6; Psalm 119:105; Joshua 24:15)
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To: wideawake
“Obama’s uncle went on a daring secret mission more than 300 miles in advance of his own lines, deep into Soviet territory, in order to liberate Auschwitz.”

He did not claim that his uncle liberated Auschwitz. He said his uncle was among the first US troops to visit there.

Wasn't there some claims back a few years that it was a black company that liberated the death camps, back when the Army was segregated, that were shown to be totally false?

28 posted on 05/27/2008 7:30:50 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

There were no American troops in Soviet-occupied Poland in 1945. Auschwitz became a NKVD prison camp. Obama made a preposterous claim and it is easy to prove that he lies. Just ask any military historian.


29 posted on 05/27/2008 7:32:03 AM PDT by StopBHO
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To: StopBHO; All
Well whattaya know - he found his flag lapel pin just in time for Memorial Day photo-ops. When it comes to the military, he is every bit as breathtaking a phony as the Clintons.


30 posted on 05/27/2008 7:32:39 AM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: DBrow
He did not claim that his uncle liberated Auschwitz. He said his uncle was among the first US troops to visit there.

US troops didn't have any presence in Poland during or after the war.

He is saying that his uncle returned from war so scarred by Auschwitz that he was mentally disabled.

There is no way that his uncle was in Auschwitz in the time period he is claiming.

31 posted on 05/27/2008 7:38:01 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: redstates4ever

I think it was given to him by one of the vets that day. I’m sure he threw it in the trash before he got back in the limo.


32 posted on 05/27/2008 7:40:25 AM PDT by ETL
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To: StopBHO

Was this from the same speech where he talked to dead fallen soldiers?


33 posted on 05/27/2008 7:40:49 AM PDT by hecht
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To: StopBHO
“There were no American troops in Soviet-occupied Poland in 1945.”

Barry didn't say his uncle was there in ‘45.

I think he's lying, but he didn't say enough to prove it outright. We don't even know his uncle's name as far as I know. The idea that this nameless uncle retreated to the attic as a result of post-traumatic stress is ridiculous.

American troops were NEVER in Auschwitz ever? That seems odd to me.

34 posted on 05/27/2008 7:42:22 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: StopBHO
I think I'm way more disturbed by his statement that Americans have an "obligation" to help other Americans "achieve their dreams."

If anyone has a link to a transcript of his Memorial day speech, I'd appreciate it.

35 posted on 05/27/2008 7:47:00 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: StopBHO

36 posted on 05/27/2008 7:47:29 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: StopBHO
I only noticed one comment on the WAPOST site pointing to the fabrication he made about his grandfather going to Aushwitz. It only goes to show that freepers are more historically educated than wapost readers.
37 posted on 05/27/2008 7:47:31 AM PDT by hecht
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To: hecht
Yeah. "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong." LOL
38 posted on 05/27/2008 7:48:14 AM PDT by StopBHO
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To: DBrow
From a NY Times piece about the hoax PBS documentary:

Former Capt. David Williams of the 761st Tank Battalion, one of the few black combat units to fight in World War II, was talking about distances, Sherman tanks and truth.

"On April 29, 1945," he said, referring to the day the Dachau concentration camp was liberated, "the 761st was near Straubing, which is about 70 miles from Dachau as the crow flies. Bridges were down, the tanks were all beat up. There wasn't enough gas. Nobody could have just taken a Sherman tank on a 140-mile round trip and not have been noticed missing. He would have been court-martialed."

Mr. Williams, who lives in retirement in Miami, was offering his comment on a controversy that has suddenly emerged to chill what was a brief moment of racial harmony. It began with a documentary film that was broadcast nationwide on PBS last November but has now been pulled from circulation pending an investigation by WNET, Channel 13, the public television station for New York City, which helped produce it.

The film, "The Liberators," viewed by an audience of 3.7 million, portrayed the neglected history of the 761st Battalion, putting considerable stress on the involvement of some of its members at the liberations of two of the most notorious camps in Germany, Dachau and Buchenwald.

'PBS-Gate Follies,' Veteran Says

Last month, the film was nominated for an Academy Award for best documentary. Before that, black and Jewish leaders gathered at a special showing at the Apollo Theater in Harlem and spoke of the two people's common history of oppression. The Rev. Jesse Jackson urged that it be distributed in all high schools.

The problem is that Mr. Williams -- and journalists, researchers and many other war veterans -- contend that a central element of the film, the role of black soldiers from the 761st in the liberation of those particular camps, is simply not true.

"It's the PBS-gate follies," said Mel Rappaport, a veteran of the Sixth Armored Division, which, he said, did liberate Buchenwald.

Channel 13 has asked PBS affiliates not to broadcast the film while it looks into the questions that have been raised about what it calls "details of the liberation of specific camps." The station expressed confidence that the "overall point" of the film remains valid: that blacks fought racism and discrimination at home to be allowed to serve their country in the war and then witnessed the ultimate in racism and discrimination in the Holocaust.

Military historians agree that the undisputed record of the 761st is outstanding. During 183 days of combat in 1944 and 1945, the 761st, wearing the Black Panther patch, captured or liberated more than 30 major towns and four airfields. It suffered a 50 percent casualty rate and lost 71 tanks. It pierced the Siegfried Line into Germany and fought in the Battle of the Bulge. And it did liberate at least one concentration camp, the Gunskirchen camp in Austria.

Many critics, however, argue that the film went seriously awry in its depiction of the liberations of Buchenwald and Dachau. They complain that the moral edifice embodied in remembrance can crumble if history is handled casually, or distorted to fit current needs -- and nothing having to do with the places whose names resonate with the century's worst crimes can be dismissed as a "detail."

Inmates Recall Black Soldiers

And so, despite evident good intentions all around, the focus of attention has shifted from the intermingled histories of blacks and Jews and to another question: Does "The Liberators" tell the truth?

How could this have happened?

In 1982, William Miles, a prize-winning documentary film maker, began hearing tales of the 761st and other black battalions during his work on another documentary, "The Different Drummer: Blacks in the Military," broadcast in 1983. In 1985 he saw a letter in The New York Times written by Benjamin Bender, a survivor of Buchenwald, who recalled seeing black soldiers at the liberation of the camp. In 1989 the presence of black soldiers was mentioned by Elie Wiesel, who was also an inmate there.

Mr. Miles joined Nina Rosenblum, whose credits include "Through the Wire," an award-winning documentary about female prisoners in the United States. With backing from Channel 13, they produced "The Liberators," subtitled, "Fighting on Two Fronts in World War II." It is essentially a chronological account of the tank battalion and other black units, like the 183d Engineering Battalion, that fought in Europe in World War II.

A major point is the role supposedly played by members of the 761st in the liberation of Buchenwald and Dachau. The film shows several survivors of the camps, including Mr. Bender and Israel Lau, now the chief rabbi of Tel Aviv, testifying to the presence of black troops. Several former enlisted men of the 761st Battalion and the 183d Engineers also describe their roles in liberating the two camps. William McBurney and Leonard Smith recount driving their tanks through the gates of Dachau and detail the horrors they saw there.

Critics Say TV Was Warned

Still, questions about the film's accuracy were raised even before it was nationally shown on Nov. 11. Mr. Williams recalled a phone conversation he said he had about six months ago with Mr. Miles in which he told Mr. Miles that "the stuff about Buchenwald and Dachau is a lie." Mr. Miles, he said, did not reply.

Mr. Rappaport, the Sixth Division veteran, said: "I got in touch with Bill Miles, who was very polite. I told him our division was the Sixth Armored and that we liberated Buchenwald. I was there. I saw no black troops. 'Well, Mr. Rappaport,' he said, 'we have witnesses.' "

Other questions followed. The first public criticism seems to have been made on the radio station WBAI in New York by Jim Dingman, a program host who specializes in military history. Articles questioning the veracity of the film were also published in The New York Guardian, The Forward and The New Republic.

Neither Mr. Miles nor Ms. Rosenblum agreed to be interviewed for this article, both arguing that they wanted to wait for Channel 13's review before making any further comment. In a written response to questions, they said they were "confident the vetting process currently under way will exonerate our film."

Channel 13 Backs Off Support

In early February, Channel 13 released a five-page response, saying that it had "absolute confidence in the veracity of this outstanding film." The very next day, however, members of the station met with Kenneth S. Stern, a researcher for the American Jewish Committee, and a few days after that meeting the station decided to withdraw "The Liberators" and begin its review.

Mr. Stern's 15-page "background report" for the Jewish Committee affirmed the conclusion that "black soldiers were among the liberators of concentration camps." His report, like many other records, finds that the 761st Tank Battalion was the first unit at the Gunskirchen camp in Austria, a sub-unit of the Mauthausen camp, where 15,000 Hungarian Jews were being held.

But Mr. Stern accuses the film makers of carelessness regarding the two notorious camps in Germany. He concludes that the scant evidence placing men from the 761st at Buchenwald or Dachau is far outweighed by evidence placing them elsewhere. Some blacks did take part in the rescue of Jews from those camps, he said, but were from other Army units.

No Mention in Daily Reports

Mr. Stern also says in his report that he interviewed the veterans of the 761st who say that they were in Buchenwald or Dachau. He found that they were far less certain than they appear to be in the film about the identities of the camps they saw.

One veteran, Mr. McBurney, said in a telephone interview last week that he had been asked by Channel 13 not to comment until its review of the film is complete. The wife of another veteran, Preston McNeil, said the same thing for her husband.

Three former officers in the battalion say that the reports written every day by each military unit -- called morning reports and after-action reports -- make no mention of Buchenwald or Dachau in connection with the 761st Battalion. The battalion's own history has no reference to the camps; neither does the Presidential citation the unit received in 1978 from President Jimmy Carter.

39 posted on 05/27/2008 7:52:23 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: StopBHO; All

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4127479.shtml

Here’s a CBS article that links the liberation of Auschwitz to US troops, and Obama’s uncle.

Both this article nad the linked one don’t have Obama’s exact words, they just refer to what they heard.

No way did Barry’s uncle, cousin, sister, or budgie liberate a Nazi death camp in Poland. He may have crawled up in the attic, though, I’ll grant him that.


40 posted on 05/27/2008 7:53:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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